To the people who are logged in overnight

I had a lot of fun reading this thread and all of the weird justifications for the "F**k you, I've got mine!" mentality that leads to players leaving idle characters in the world 24/7. Does it really have to be Square-Enix's job to force you not to be a selfish ass? You can't figure that out on your own?

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Originally Posted by Mahari

I had a lot of fun reading this thread and all of the weird justifications for the "F**k you, I've got mine!" mentality that leads to players leaving idle characters in the world 24/7. Does it really have to be Square-Enix's job to force you not to be a selfish ass? You can't figure that out on your own?

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And what about the selfishness of you "log off, you damn, dirty afkers" type of people? Telling people to not play a game they paid for(cause lets face it, especially over this weekend and today, if you log out, only a miracle will get you back in) so other random people can play, and you MIGHT get in .0002 seconds faster is just as selfish as afking.

If everyone did what you guys are doing, you'd never get in at all. The only reason why many of us has been able to play at least some is because of the people who log out when they're finished. Remember that the next time you get into a queue.

I'm not saying you're bad people or anything, and I do agree with you that this is a logistics problem first and foremost. But we are all aware of the problem, and logging out when you're done allows other people to play. Of course you can stay logged in for 16 hours and hog the spot for everyone because of the 3 hours you're going to play the next night, it's your right to do so. But when we know they're getting this fixed soon, can't we all find it in ourselves to just log out when we're going to sleep to allow other people to play?

We all want to play the game, so until they get it fixed let's contribute to a solution rather than the problem. That's the mark of a good community.

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Originally Posted by Ursok

Hey guys while we get fixes on the loging issues and sever congestion issues why don't the people who just keep logged in (you know who you are) do the rest of us a favor and just log out while you're not playing and let the rest of us experience the game.

there is no bazzar and no reason to really stay logged in, right now it's just so you won't get the infamous 1017. but maybe things will go a little smoother while the fixes come if we all put in our little effort to alliviate the congestion.

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I logged out last night so someone else could play, now I am not able to get in for 2 hours. If I get back in I will not log out until I am forced to because of maintenance. This is why no one logs out overnight, I normally would not have, but I thought I would be nice.

Put in an afk timer, and it won't matter how many people try to stay logged in. This should be a common sense solution, no matter how band-aid it might be right now. IMO, there should be an afk timer even after the fix/upgrade coming Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

NO AFK TIMER. That is a terrible solution.

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I see people post this, and yet there is provided no good reason why this is a terrible solution. I think it's a great solution, and cannot understand why it didn't come out of the box with an AFK timer. There's no legitimate reason why a character has to stay logged in for hours on end without the player being present.

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Originally Posted by Straiya

Put in an afk timer, and it won't matter how many people try to stay logged in. This should be a common sense solution, no matter how band-aid it might be right now. IMO, there should be an afk timer even after the fix/upgrade coming Tuesday.

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NO AFK TIMER. That is a terrible solution.

Personally, I haven't been able to login since Friday, that's with the game running in the background of my computer for the last 2 days and 3 nights, with me trying to login every 30 min or so.

Yes, having an afk kicker implemented would help a lot, but based on the last letter from Yoshida, he's not terribly concerned with implementing one anytime soon. To me, the real problem is server capacity. Right now I can't even hit "Start" on the main menu. There are nearly 24k people on my server and if only 5000 of us can be logged in at any given time, that's a real problem, and afk kicking is only going to resolve a portion of that, and only during the night time hours when the majority of people are afk.

Such anger in this thread. People calling each other idiots too now in responses to other peoples' post. Makes me chuckle :)

They will never impliment an AFK timer, it goes against the SE immersion type game style they have created. The quick answer is before the pre-order money came in, they didn't have enough capital to ensure server stability/ server room for the NA/ EU players. They had to recover from a failed launch, therefore capital was likely an issue. Furthermore, how many people will still be playing this game in 60 days time? 1/2 the population, 1/4? This is about money, and your problems don't matter, keep your wallet open, and just keep clicking, or don't, and close your wallet.

I could get mad that people are staying on, but the reality is we don't live in some ideal society where people are going to do things like stop playing a game because other anonymous people on the internet want a "chance" (there are still 19k more people on the server than can play) to play. I didn't pay them for the game and their not responsible for making sure I get to play, that's Squares job.

My problem is SE's ambiguity for a resolution. While this maintenance will add new worlds, its not clear in any way if they will be adding concurrent capacity to the existing servers. If not, then I just have to hope enough people jump ship to the new servers. Even then, there is no way to know what population load is like on those new servers, most people don't know what the current loads are like because they don't give is that information readily.

My numbers came from a screen cap from a Japanese article that was tracking population numbers at launch. Not exactly a straight forward method of getting info

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Originally Posted by Phoen7x

And what about the selfishness of you "log off, you damn, dirty afkers" type of people? Telling people to not play a game they paid for(cause lets face it, especially over this weekend and today, if you log out, only a miracle will get you back in) so other random people can play, and you MIGHT get in .0002 seconds faster is just as selfish as afking.

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Sorry, you already crippled your weird "I know you are, but what am I!" response there: "not play a game they paid for", the key word being "Play". You're not playing, you're idling. That's the problem. If you can get in, great, play for 12 hours, but actually play for that time. When you're done, log out and let someone else play. If you can't get in, sorry, but that's the boat we're all in right now, and idling in the servers is only making it worse.

Are you seriously suggesting I'm selfish for pointing out that idling your character in the servers 24/7 might be a dick move?

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Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms

Such anger in this thread. People calling each other idiots too now in responses to other peoples' post. Makes me chuckle :)

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I'm not angry, I'm disappointed. And it's starting to really bleed through since this has been going on for so long now. Instead of listening to us, you actually STRIVE to make things worse. And that makes me sad.

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Originally Posted by Straiya

Put in an afk timer, and it won't matter how many people try to stay logged in. This should be a common sense solution, no matter how band-aid it might be right now. IMO, there should be an afk timer even after the fix/upgrade coming Tuesday.

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I see people post this, and yet there is provided no good reason why this is a terrible solution. I think it's a great solution, and cannot understand why it didn't come out of the box with an AFK timer. There's no legitimate reason why a character has to stay logged in for hours on end without the player being present.

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I can give you one straight away:

I am playing and suddenly I have to get up to take care of something other than a video game (you know RL). I come back 10 minutes later to see I have been automatically logged out and am not able to get back in because of a huge queue.

Because the people they are yelling at are NOT playing it? They are just taking up valuable space for no reason whatsoever. There are only 5000 spaces per server. Assume that 10,000 people are trying to play at any one time but 1,000 of those spots are taken by afkers. That makes only 4000 spots left for them to fight over which drastically increases the tim to get in. As more and more people afk the number could reach 2500 or higher makking the times reach unrealistic proportions. This happened in Aeon and when they started booting afkers the queues dropped from the thousands taking the entire day to get in to hundreds and taking only minutes.

To all the people complaining to the people staying logged in overnight: get a clue.
This isn't our fault, this is entirely Square Enix's fault and incompetence for not putting in an auto afk boot that kicks you after 20-30 mins afk (much like WoW has). Combine that with a proper queue system that doesn't break when theres more than 10 people in it and these problems will be a thing of the past.
Personally I don't mind sitting in a 10k queue, at least I know it's actually going to get me to play at some point, what I do get headaches over is having to spam the login button over and over again. Besides, spamming the login button puts far more stress on the login servers than a simple queue.

I've been trying for the past day to log in with no luck. Patience is starting to slip at this point. Either implement an AFK boot system or increase the server limits. Or better yet, just simply end the free period instead of extending it. Punish this behavior instead of encourage it. People who are only around for the free trial period will be booted, and those who legitimately would pay the subscription fee will be able to play anyway. I know I'm not entitled to it, but I'd like to be able to play the game sometime in the next month.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

I can give you one straight away:

I am playing and suddenly I have to get up to take care of something other than a video game (you know RL). I come back 10 minutes later to see I have been automatically logged out and am not able to get back in because of a huge queue.

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I certainly wouldn't suggest a 10 minute timer; that's way too short. I agree, people have things come up that need attending to, even as simple as bathroom breaks, smoke breaks, attending to children, and the like. I'm talking about a 30 minute AFK timer, no shorter than that. If life requires one attend to it instead of the game for a period of time that exceeds 30 minutes, then that person should be logged out. If an afk timer existed there would be nowhere near this problem with logging in. It wouldn't solve the problem, but it would begin to address it. AFK timer, login queue, and server infrastructure upgrades are the requisite steps.

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Originally Posted by Lithiena

To all the people complaining to the people staying logged in overnight: get a clue.
This isn't our fault, this is entirely Square Enix's fault and incompetence for not putting in an auto afk boot that kicks you after 20-30 mins afk (much like WoW has). Combine that with a proper queue system that doesn't break when theres more than 10 people in it and these problems will be a thing of the past.

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Nobody is saying that Square-Enix is without fault here. The queue system is a joke, and yes, there should be an auto-afk timer. But you know what? Those are nothing but excuses for people who leave their character logged in when they go to bed or work, because you know you are preventing another player from playing by doing this.

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Originally Posted by Flarenza

<post-size-limit>...afk is the root...</post-size-limit>

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Servers are overloaded because they allowed them to become overpopulated, not because of 1-200 afk's. The login servers are seeing such issues because of thousands trying to log in to the overpopulated servers. It's a domino effect that all stems from overpopulation. This is why they're addressing the creation of new servers first while adding stability fixes to the login servers. If afk's were the problem, which is obviously not the case based on their official posts, they would address that first.

I've been trying to be the nice guy and log out at night...and every day I spend hours trying to log in. I will not voluntarily log out any more; burned too many times.

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Originally Posted by jadeo

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'I don't like people who get to play more than ME, so they should all be banned' What a horrible attitude. If someone wants to play all day every day, that's their business. It's fairly obvious if an account is only selling gil. Being on a game all day is in no way against any rules by itself.
Nobody's going to log out just to feel like they're letting some stranger play instead of them.

Also, everyone keeps saying they should an auto-kicker. But then you'll just have people going to their inns and running into a wall. Autokicking wouldn't work at all for peak hours, when those afkers are actually playing. Autokicking isn't even close to a good solution. We need better servers and that's it.

Log out button doesn't work for some reason, it's preventing me and others players from logging off!!~
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I've said it in a diff thread but I'll say it here, too :P

I'm torn actually. Is it selfish to stay logged in because you know you'll have little chance of getting back on when u log out? Yes, possibly. However, I do understand it. Everyone wants to play during their free time period (and alot will stick with the game after the trial ends). And as much as I agree with "Everyone should get the chance to play, so log out!", I also agree with people that stay logged in, and with their reasons for doing so. Guess you can say I'm neutral :3

If I wasn't careful with leaving my PC on for too long I might have been one of those ppl that decides to not log out during the night... But I wouldn't do it often, and not for long, either. I don't want my PC to overheat :P The longest time I've ever generally left my comp on without switching it off is 2 days :P

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Originally Posted by Lithiena

This isn't our fault, this is entirely Square Enix's fault and incompetence for not putting in an auto afk boot that kicks you after 20-30 mins afk (much like WoW has). Combine that with a proper queue system that doesn't break when theres more than 10 people in it and these problems will be a thing of the past.

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It's not your fault? Did SE force you to stay logged in? Or are you trying to suggest that you are somehow blameless for making the choice to idle 24/7? Do you really need to be forced to behave like an adult by SE? No one is suggesting that there isn't an issue with the servers here, but people idling 24/7 is only making that issue worse. Stop trying to deflect blame for the choices you made.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

I can give you one straight away:

I am playing and suddenly I have to get up to take care of something other than a video game (you know RL). I come back 10 minutes later to see I have been automatically logged out and am not able to get back in because of a huge queue.

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1. No one is going to initiate a 10 minute AFK timer. Most of us want around 30 minutes to an hour.
2. A good chunk of these que problems are because people are taking up space they're not using. Initiating a timer would help (not totally remove mind you) to alleviate that and bring more balance to who can get in. Because everyone is paying for this game.

Honestly I am rather disgusted with what is in this thread. Here's how I see things. SE Admitted they under-estimated how popular the game was. They gave folks the numbers for how many a server can hold and how many are actively trying to login. The sensible thing to do AS a community, would of been to show respect for others on your server. Unlike games like world of warcraft, your server reputation is on the line in community based games. And showing a complete lack of respect for your fellow players does not reflect well on the ones behaving badly by denying others space on the servers.

Now we've reached a point where there's maybe a small handfull of players actually playing. And the majority of the "players" are sitting idle in every sanctuary 24/7 now. I got on after 15 tries yesterday morning at 5:40 am. Ul'dah was full of afkers. Sitting in every part of the city or standing not moving for hours on end till I had to log out because I am in the process of moving. The little bit of time I do get to myself, I can no longer login. Once I logged out yesterday, there was no getting back on. If I reached the load screen it was trolling me by staying up 5-8 seconds then 1017ing me.

This morning, there's still 0 chance of playing. The afkers have right now won. And quite frankly if I worked at SE, I'd be taking note of each and every afker bragging about griefing their servers at the expense of others. AFKers are not part of the solution, they are now the problem. My anger is not at SE. They are working to address the problems. My anger is at the people taking advantage of the problem to grief others by keeping them offline while they are in bed asleep or at school. And I say school because it is hard to believe a grown adult would be so selfish to afk while at work. A grown adult would be more concerned with the welfare of their computer and their electric bill.

I only read a few pages of this insanely long thread so I may repeat what others have said. The people who don't log off the game are the problem. Yes we all know this. They are the only ones trying to justify their actions by blaming the games systems etc. I read one person state that it doesn't matter because in a few weeks the player base will drop drastically due to people not wanting to pay for the game and I agree. The funny thing is those going by that mindset are only going to ruin the game for themselves. Who wants to play a dead MMO? Look at how swtor started and then GW2. Both games started with large amounts of players and now they are small communities of faithful slowly falling apart. Markets drop, Free Companies will have trouble finding players for end game and the pvp community will be extremely boring(when it arrives).
So run off the other players by stating that it's not your problem and in the end you will have a boring game to play.

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Originally Posted by Straiya

I certainly wouldn't suggest a 10 minute timer; that's way too short. I agree, people have things come up that need attending to, even as simple as bathroom breaks, smoke breaks, attending to children, and the like. snip

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An AFK timer does not fix anything. If you have half a brain all you have to do is set a macro to cast something every few minutes. 30 minutes to me is too short, I could deal with 1 hour, but it still would not fix anything. I have done this in numerous games so I do not get AFK kicked from the game, I think this is why they do not do AFK timers, because it is too easy to bypass anyway, why waste the time and effort to implement one.

the sentiment that afkers should log off is nice an all, but for every one one of us, theres someone else macroing their numpad 0 key overnight to get in and ... afk.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

An AFK timer does not fix anything. If you have half a brain all you have to do is set a macro to cast something every few minutes. 30 minutes to me is too short, I could deal with 1 hour, but it still would not fix anything. I have done this in numerous games so I do not get AFK kicked from the game, I think this is why they do not do AFK timers, because it is too easy to bypass anyway, why waste the time and effort to implement one.

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This is ridiculous. 80-90% of players would not think to do this or know how until someone like you posts it in a forum. Why make murder illegal when everyone would just try to hide the body and get away with it? Extreme metaphor but you get the point.

I understand what you mean Ruprect but as you well know the knowledge of MMOers varies greatly. If only half the people actually staying afk for hours on end decided to or knew how to set a macro to perform an action every 30 minutes on every server then you have that many more players able to login actively. While it is not a solution or a band-aid even really it's like a weak pain reliever to remove some tension.

On the subject though ive been informed (without looking into it myself) that there is currently no way to set an infinite loop macro up in-game which is a preferred method to avoid afk kicks.

any and all afkers should be penalised for their blatant selfishness. Every time I do get on and play I log out when I'm done and everyone should do the same and stop being such self serving douchebags

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

Why waste the time and effort to implement one.

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Why waste the time and effort to implement pets?
Why waste the time and effort to implement new dyes?
Why waste the time and effort to implement a new battle system?
Why waste the time and effort to implement a new story, sexes, races, classes, jobs, NE/EU servers, remade zones, a housing system, companies, a way to see your recipes, or new graphics system?
Why waste the time and effort to implement anything?

Most people wouldn't bother to circumvent the timer, but at the very least it would help to clear space for those who would actually play the game.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

I have done this in numerous games so I do not get AFK kicked from the game, I think this is why they do not do AFK timers, because it is too easy to bypass anyway, why waste the time and effort to implement one.

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And you are proud to announce you will exploit/cheat any system meant to keep you from doing something that hurts the servers/community? I think this post you made right here, should warrant your removal from the game. FF Communities from what I've read up on, tend to be friendly and extremely against nasty behavior such as that. Proud of cheating/exploiting and admitting it in a newly launched game says 1 thing: You did it on them games, were proud of it, and you will cheat and exploit on this one too. I sincerely hope your community takes note of your character and blacklists you.

What you should be able to do is kill the afk people when you encounter them and it gives them an xp decrease for the amount of time they are dead without ressurecting themselves <--- that would make people think twice about going afk for long stretches of time. *insert evil laugh here* lol

I understand why people would afk. I just can't bother to do it because if I am not playing why should I stop someone else from playing that has waited patiently.

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Originally Posted by Blackweaver

And you are proud to announce you will exploit/cheat any system meant to keep you from doing something that hurts the servers/community? I think this post you made right here, should warrant your removal from the game. FF Communities from what I've read up on, tend to be friendly and extremely against nasty behavior such as that. Proud of cheating/exploiting and admitting it in a newly launched game says 1 thing: You did it on them games, were proud of it, and you will cheat and exploit on this one too. I sincerely hope your community takes note of your character and blacklists you.

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I think cheating might be blowing circumventing an AFK timer a little blown out of proportion LOLO. They allow macros in game??? lol

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Why waste the time and effort to implement pets?
Why waste the time and effort to implement new dyes?
Why waste the time and effort to implement a new battle system?
Why waste the time and effort to implement a new story, sexes, races, classes, jobs, NE/EU servers, remade zones, a housing system, companies, a way to see your recipes, or new graphics system?
Why waste the time and effort to implement anything?

Most people wouldn't bother to circumvent the timer, but at the very least it would help to clear space for those who would actually play the game.

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Because an AFK times can easily be circumvented. Pets, dyes, battle systems, etc cannot be easily circumvented.

I logged out last night in an effort to be nice and let someone else play as I knew the server was full. I try to get back on today and no go for 4 hours. I WILL NEVER LOG OFF AGAIN unless forced. I don't blame anyone for not logging out. This is an SE fail problem not a selfish player problem.

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Originally Posted by Straiya

I see people post this, and yet there is provided no good reason why this is a terrible solution. I think it's a great solution, and cannot understand why it didn't come out of the box with an AFK timer. There's no legitimate reason why a character has to stay logged in for hours on end without the player being present.

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Because AFK timers don't work. All that will happen is everyone will switch from using AutoIt and AutoHotkey to spam login, to using it to keep their character active while they're afk.

I remember a couple of days ago after I logged out. I couldn't get on for over 24 hours. Not that I tried for that long, mind. I do have a life, after all, and not being able to get on just meant I had extra time to do other things, like watch a movie, clean my house, talk on the phone, you know, enjoy life. And while I wasn't playing, I knew someone else could, which is cool with me. Until the servers problem is fixed, I want to do what I can to let everyone else get a chance to play the game. Why should I stay logged in 24/7 when I don't play the game 24/7? And if it takes a while to get logged back in, that's more time I have for other things. Also, I know I will eventually get back into the game. So, basically, I have too much maturity, empathy, patience, and just too much of a life to keep my computer logged into a game out of fear that I might have to wait to log back in if I log out. Just my $0.02.