Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

If you don't support an anti-cheat you're obviously hiding skeletons, and if you do support it you support rootkits and kernel-level deep-digging software. Did I get it right?

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Originally Posted by Delis

Console players don't need ACT. You just need one person in the group that runs it. It is not ACT by itself that is most useful. When people talk about using ACT to improve, or using ACT to figure out dmg numbers for rotations or whatever, they are mostly talking about the logs that the ACT program generates. Running ACT you can see your dps numbers during the fight, sure, but that really does nothing for you in that moment. It's after the fight when the person running ACT uploads the logs and everyone can loom through them and break the fight down and see what they are doing second by second in the fight, that really matters. So along as one person in the group is on PC and running ACT, then the console players can also benefit from it.

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The best thing about ACT is being able to upload logs onto fflogs because you can take those logs and paste them into xivanalysis to review what you need to work on. It shouldn’t be controversial to want to see specifically how you can improve your play, but as per usual of this forum people who never touch the content think they understand how it works, but they just don’t.

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Originally Posted by Delis

Console players don't need ACT. You just need one person in the group that runs it.

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So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

but as per usual of this forum people who never touch the content think they understand how it works, but they just don’t.

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Very true. ACT is the bread and butter of Final Fantasy XIV, and if you don’t watch your colors and numbers on a third-party site, are you really raiding?

Also, do we know if Square Enix has any plans to acquire FFLogs and ACT since they’re essentially required to play the content? Otherwise, those services could shut down or have issues and render a lot of FFXIV’s core content unplayable.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

It's extremely likely, considering how tightly the dps checks are tuned for week 1 savage and how they know precisely the impact of minor potencies change in the overall job balance, that the dev team uses internal dps meter tools.

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"The devs must be using dps meters since I can't do it without them" They said outright they did it without any third party tools. I know that you might think they used the wording "third party tools" to hide that they use "internal dps meter tools", but the point of that statement and test was to prove that it's possible for players to complete it with the tools they have access to by default. No player has access to any "internal dps meter tools", so for all intents and purposes in this context it is safe to assume that they didn't use their own official damage meters. I don't doubt that they have them, because they have to test the game balance, but I don't believe they were used when they were testing to see if the content could be cleared without third party addons. That would defeat the entire purpose of the test and statement that it can be cleared without third party addons.

LMAO
If they added an anti-cheat there would definitely be a mass exodus. Yoshida knows this which is why he's so against the idea.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

"The devs must be using dps meters since I can't do it without them" They said outright they did it without any third party tools. I know that you might think they used the wording "third party tools" to hide that they use "internal dps meter tools", but the point of that statement and test was to prove that it's possible for players to complete it with the tools they have access to by default. No player has access to any "internal dps meter tools", so for all intents and purposes in this context it is safe to assume that they didn't use their own official damage meters. I don't doubt that they have them, because they have to test the game balance, but I don't believe they were used when they were testing to see if the content could be cleared without third party addons. That would defeat the entire purpose of the test and statement that it can be cleared without third party addons.

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It's designed to be cleared without third-party tools. It's tested to be cleared without third-party tools. But you're living in a fantasy world if you think testers never have any kind of data on their performance, especially since they use that performance to tune the dps checks for a worldwide audience.

EDIT: btw you're putting a lot of words into my mouth. I never once said that damage meters were necessary to clear any fight (I even said something closer to the opposite a few posts ago), just that feedback is necessary to become a good player, and it's an incredibly good feedback tool. I don't think for a second the testers they selected for savage and ultimate dps checks never received any kind of hard data on their performance and learned their rotation with their intuition and feelings alone, like some of you seem to genuinely believe.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

It's designed to be cleared without third-party tools. It's tested to be cleared without third-party tools. But you're living in a fantasy world if you think testers never have any kind of data on their performance, especially since they use that performance to tune the dps checks for a worldwide audience.

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They probably have their own program to use if it isn't already baked into their testing build. It would be impossible to tune anything if they didn't know the numbers themselves, yeah.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.



Very true. ACT is the bread and butter of Final Fantasy XIV, and if you don’t watch your colors and numbers on a third-party site, are you really raiding?

Also, do we know if Square Enix has any plans to acquire FFLogs and ACT since they’re essentially required to play the content? Otherwise, those services could shut down or have issues and render a lot of FFXIV’s core content unplayable.

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I mean unless your deliberately only recruit PS4 people, you're gonna have a PC player in the mix.

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So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.

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Noone is saying you need it to clear a fight. There is a difference between clearing and optimizing. A group of Grey's can probably clear a fight, they will have a rough time but it is more or less doable. Now if you want to take it to the next level, to optimize a fight, to learn your job better, yes the hard truth is you do need to look over logs. SE does a poor job of providing a way in game to do this. Sure they provide training dummies and sea stone sky, but they really don't let you know how you are doing.

Can a full group of console players clear? Of course they can. Can they optimize a fight and learn and identify their rotation mistakes? Most likely not. But let's be honest how likely is it that the whole group is console? I am sure there might be console only groups. Are they at a disadvantage? Yes. It's the way it is.

Or they could implement the good add-ons as part of the official game and leave all the cheats out.
Instead of asking to be able to use mods, ask them to turn some mods part of the official build, then ban everyone still using third party add-ons, cause after that they are only using them to cheat.
Ask for the right thing not the wrong one.

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

I personally don't care about privacy or your performance if it means everyone is on the same level

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Absolute Clown Statement, I'm Sorry.

One of the main reasons I quit Valorant was because of their invasive anti-cheat. If SE implements anything close to that then I'm quitting.

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Originally Posted by Saranade

Yet you are comfortable installing "free" software add ons, as if there is no worry about viruses or rootkits there. Ah the third party crowd, this game may as well be dead now.

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Almost all plugins are open source, their code is readily available on github. You can go read it for yourself, If they shipped with a virus then everyone would know. If you have 0 idea of what you're talking about, you probably should not.

If anything I'd go so far as to say that they're safer to run than the game itself, since the game is not open-source, you have no idea what SE could be running in the background.

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Originally Posted by JOsha

One of the main reasons I quit Valorant was because of their invasive anti-cheat. If SE implements anything close to that then I'm quitting.

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Don't let the door hit you on the way out, we don't need people that use third party add-ons

To all the ignorant people in this thread saying - "I don't care, because I have nothing to hide"

“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
― Edward Snowden

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Or they could implement the good add-ons as part of the official game and leave all the cheats out.
Instead of asking to be able to use mods, ask them to turn some mods part of the official build, then ban everyone still using third party add-ons, cause after that they are only using them to cheat.
Ask for the right thing not the wrong one.

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They just need to implement the improvements people have asked for that I know of folks who use them currently as 3rd party tools- they are:
Motion sickness camera; xyz axis placement for housing, inventory search, mass sell/ delete/desynth items, closing 1 crafting window doesn't close the rest, targeting nearest enemy(you can kind of do this already, but it's not fool proof- it's in the menu settings in game) and speech bubbles

These would be QoL improvements that people have asked since 2.0 for many of these & they have fallen on deaf ears.

But anything else imo is for the birds
cheaters need to be perma-banned. Also, if yoshi-p and his team can clear the ultimate without add-ons then the people trying to clear with add-ons should be ashamed

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, we don't need people that use third party add-ons

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I don't get it, why do you guys hate plugins so much? And I'm not talking about the stuff that helps you cheat in raiding, etc - Screw those quite frankly, but there's so many QoL plugins that make the game playable, heck I know many ppl who won't touch the game until the QoL plugins are back-up. It would be cool if SE implemented them in-game, but they won't, they barely bring anything these days. These plugins don't effect you in any-way, they just make many unbearable things in this game bearable.

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Originally Posted by JOsha

To all the ignorant people in this thread saying - "I don't care, because I have nothing to hide"

“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
― Edward Snowden

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Yep, exactly. It is a rather silly argument to make. Snowden did us all a solid, whether people realize this or not.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

They just need to implement the improvements people have asked for that I know of folks who use them currently as 3rd party tools- they are:
Motion sickness camera; xyz axis placement for housing, inventory search, mass sell/ delete/desynth items, closing 1 crafting window doesn't close the rest, targeting nearest enemy(you can kind of do this already, but it's not fool proof- it's in the menu settings in game) and speech bubbles

These would be QoL improvements that people have asked since 2.0 for many of these & they have fallen on deaf ears.

But anything else imo is for the birds
cheaters need to be perma-banned. Also, if yoshi-p and his team can clear the ultimate without add-ons then the people trying to clear with add-ons should be ashamed

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And I'm all for that, make 10000 petitions to implement qol and I'll sign all of them, so will most of this forum, and word of mouth can be spread ingame trough fc's, friends, etc.
On the other hand every single add-on that you can consider cheating should be met with a perm ban from PSN, steam and all further purchases related to square.
But untill that day arrives, all mods are illegal...

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

You clearly didn't, you just made blanket statements like "EVERYONE should improve then!" that are completely ignoring the actual question and make it seem as if you got it but you didn't.
Tell me: if you have a few people that perform really well and a few who don't and together they're not enough to beat the boss. How fair is it to tell the group that everyone needs to improve? Because you're telling the good players that are already pulling their weight the exact same, unfiltered thing as the bad players who are currently holding the group back.
Do you get it now?

Same as the point about how rotations are even made in the first place - not by feelycrafting your way through with "probably just uncomfortable". My point (the one you didn't get) was that everyone who ever looked up rotations either directly from Balance or from guides that copied them (which... pretty much every guide does) indirectly profits from ACT and relies on it in a way.
It's just that not everyone has the balls to admit it and prefer to live in their little fairy world where they are above such dirty things as parsers.

But by all means, keep trying to make it about "epeen" when I never mentioned that in any way. Maybe it helps you sleep at night, who knows.

Calling me "dear" already? I didn't know you liked me so much by the way.

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Fair by telling people pulling their weight to improve??? LOL what delusional world do you live in dear, EVEN if you are pulling your weight that does not mean there is not room improvements and you think that is unfair??? Complacency is that of the weak willed and the weak. Also you never know when you will need to pull more than just your weight to get a kill, Not everything is in your control so constant pushing to improve is something really most do, those who don't are a pain and will eventually be the hinderance to others you claim you can't predict suddenly a DPS internet randomly shits the bed but if your MAXIMUM you desire is pulling your weight then you will fail because your interest are just self sufficient and not enough to compensate for rare circumstances or emergencies when called up you should always strive to do the best no matter how unachievable it is, Also feelcrafty LOL most this rotation is common sense you don't need ACT for majority of it or Balance tips of keep your dots up, Always be casting these should be no brainers, ACT will help with some things like CD usage timers and Bard songs the exact optimal order to play them that im sure would be debated and i can agree ACT does help you know which would be best.

Also dear isn't ment as liking you is just a word here in the deep south but i must go get my child from school now so have a good weekend dear

This thread got scary.

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Fair by telling people pulling their weight to improve??? LOL what delusional world do you live in dear, EVEN if you are pulling your weight that does not mean there is not room improvements and you think that is unfair??? Complacency is that of the weak willed and the weak. Also you never know when you will need to pull more than just your weight to get a kill, Not everything is in your control so constant pushing to improve is something really most do, those who don't are a pain and will eventually be the hinderance to others you claim you can't predict suddenly a DPS internet randomly shits the bed but if your MAXIMUM you desire is pulling your weight then you will fail because your interest are just self sufficient and not enough to compensate for rare circumstances or emergencies when called up you should always strive to do the best no matter how unachievable it is, Also feelcrafty LOL most this rotation is common sense you don't need ACT for majority of it or Balance tips of keep your dots up, Always be casting these should be no brainers, ACT will help with some things like CD usage timers and Bard songs the exact optimal order to play them that im sure would be debated and i can agree ACT does help you know which would be best.

Also dear isn't ment as liking you is just a word here in the deep south but i must go get my child from school now so have a good weekend dear

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Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.

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Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.

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All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
So stop cheating.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
So stop cheating.

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I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.

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Originally Posted by Delis

I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.

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Bro don't bother. That player is clearly just here to troll and stir the pot, the TOP debacle brought out quite a few of them. They've already shown they're just here to troll a few pages back.

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Originally Posted by Delis

Noone is saying you need it to clear a fight.

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See below:

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Originally Posted by elioaiko

Anyone trying to do Ultimate content without a dps meter will never beat it, let alone clear the Savage tier required for it.

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I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.

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Then do that, manually calculating your parse is not against tos, and my time your finished we'll be in 7.0.
Using any third party app ia against tos, know the difference.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Bro don't bother. That player is clearly just here to troll and stir the pot, the TOP debacle brought out quite a few of them. They've already shown they're just here to troll a few pages back.

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Are you using that to defend your use of plugins? I'm not trolling I'm just repeating what the director of the game published, no third party add-ons, all of them are prohibited, no excuses, stop cheating, even if your colour blind.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Are you using that to defend your use of plugins? I'm not trolling I'm just repeating what the director of the game published, no third party add-ons, all of them are prohibited, no excuses, stop cheating, even if your colour blind.

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Did you just mistake him for me? He's not the colourblind one, I am!

Is this a "All Hrothgar look the same" quip? xD

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

You clearly didn't, you just made blanket statements like "EVERYONE should improve then!" that are completely ignoring the actual question and make it seem as if you got it but you didn't.
Tell me: if you have a few people that perform really well and a few who don't and together they're not enough to beat the boss. How fair is it to tell the group that everyone needs to improve? Because you're telling the good players that are already pulling their weight the exact same, unfiltered thing as the bad players who are currently holding the group back.
Do you get it now?

Same as the point about how rotations are even made in the first place - not by feelycrafting your way through with "probably just uncomfortable". My point (the one you didn't get) was that everyone who ever looked up rotations either directly from Balance or from guides that copied them (which... pretty much every guide does) indirectly profits from ACT and relies on it in a way.
It's just that not everyone has the balls to admit it and prefer to live in their little fairy world where they are above such dirty things as parsers.

But by all means, keep trying to make it about "epeen" when I never mentioned that in any way. Maybe it helps you sleep at night, who knows.

Calling me "dear" already? I didn't know you liked me so much by the way.

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It's a new player that has never done anything of worth, it's not worth wasting a post on

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Originally Posted by solimiano

All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
So stop cheating.

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And in doing so defeat the entire purpose of having higher difficulty content, thus giving those players little reason to continue playing. The reason ACT and FFlogs have been around for nearly a decade with SE doing precisely nothing to enforce the ToS against either one is because they directly benefit from their existence.

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Originally Posted by JOsha

One of the main reasons I quit Valorant was because of their invasive anti-cheat. If SE implements anything close to that then I'm quitting.

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True. And if the anticheat software was hacked then you are reall really REALLY f***** up. Because anticheat runs as a Ring 0 kernel module. And it has waaaaay more permissions than the Administrator account. So if you are hacked and the hackers used an anticheat software as a backdoor then reinstall everything.

And if you do not believe, that anticheat software can be used as a backdoor ... well, it already happened:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3p3...ransom-victims



Cheers

Dumb question, but wouldn't those things be in violation of the GDPR laws?

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And in doing so defeat the entire purpose of having higher difficulty content, thus giving those players little reason to continue playing. The reason ACT and FFlogs have been around for nearly a decade with SE doing precisely nothing to enforce the ToS against either one is because they directly benefit from their existence.

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Khira is one of the most powerful people in regards to XIV, and he doesn't even play the game :D

It's funny how witch hunty people are getting over mods, cherrypicking YoshiP's statements about them being against the TOS (even though he also said there are grey areas) but ignoring the fact that he said he doesn't want players witch hunting over this.

Why are we cherry picking YoshiP's words? Why are we doing EXACTLY what he didn't want us to do? Really gets the noggin' joggin'.

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It's funny how witch hunty people are getting over mods, cherrypicking YoshiP's statements about them being against the TOS (even though he also said there are grey areas) but ignoring the fact that he said he doesn't want players witch hunting over this.

Why are we cherry picking YoshiP's words? Why are we doing EXACTLY what he didn't want us to do? Really gets the noggin' joggin'.

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Especially when it comes with a side of "moral superiority."

tbh i don't understand the brainworms on this topic like

they're all banned, that's just the case. there's no actual gray area. doesn't matter what it is. if you use the tools, you run that risk and the way to avoid that risk is to not present your usage of them in game or through video/image - usually with watermark in the latter case. if you do present use of them publicly, to be frank, you're just stupid and need to accept that.

how i feel as a player is simply:

there's more leniency with some tools in terms of how hard they go after them, such as cosmetic tools, or tools that track otherwise available and pertinent information. SE won't proactively go after people using a damage meter, tbh. reactively? yeah. i don't really have issues with cosmetic stuff, or damage meters, or shaders to help visibility, etc...

but, to me, there's also tools with grayer areas -- ie: cactbot/zoomhacks/etc... as while a reasonable human being wouldn't consider a damage meter as a cheat, these tools can (and sometimes do) break encounter design at times, even if ultimately it doesn't really affect people too much if they're employed. i don't tend to lump these tools in with outright cheating, but i can't say they don't make encounters easier to accomplish and i know SE - during a largely publicized event - isn't going to want these types of things front and center (or, even anything in the first category) due to their TOS and how a congratulatory statement from them can implicitly endorse these tools their TOS forbids. that said, a zoomhack on the level you see in TOP does change how a player would approach that encounter. you can say panning your camera is useless or w/e, or being able to see clearly the entire arena from a moon's eye view should be standard or w/e, but fight design takes into consideration what you can and cannot see on the screen. ofc, it's not perfect - hardware can change perception, but ultrawide monitors don't really get to the level of a rts view. not needing to look around, not needing to read that information quickly as you check each position, knowing 100% your partner on the other side of the boss is completely correct, etc... all of that does impact an encounter difficulty. call it bs difficulty if you want, but that doesn't really make it so. granted, i also feel group dynamics and teamwork are also part of a fight's inherent difficulty.

then there's stuff like... paisley park, whatever one displays AOE indicators you are not supposed to have access to in content, that display mechanical sets ahead of time on your minimap, or botting programs/automation programs etc... where that is just cheating.



gonna be real, for the most part others' use of these tools doesn't affect me or my gameplay. however, enforcement to some degree of them (such as: if you're openly talking about it, and someone gets SE's attention for it) i'm... kind of fine with. if there was no enforcement, or if there was a blanket allowance for these tools, then the game would end up in WoW's situation regarding addons -- people will demand you use the ones they think are best, and then there'd be community standards to have certain ones on, and tbqh i prefer not using the vast majority of tools. i do think SE should take note when a witch hunt on a player is occurring and let curbing the witch-hunting behavior take precedent over punishment for plugin usage, but.

for community events, they'll be harsher. obviously. like there's a business incentive to be harsher on anything highly publicized. if you're someone who thinks they wouldn't do anything, idk what to tell you. if they do go the route of sanctioning it themselves, i imagine they'd either only consider those who stream, or they do have a way to see what tools are employed on their end in some capacity and would then verify the clears themselves (like, iirc, bungie does).


but no, i also don't want a program that reads all the files on my computer and hands all that over to SE. i know digital privacy is generally a moot point these days, but... a game's competitive integrity when played at a level i dont participate in doesn't... fucking matter to me more than whatever scraps of digital privacy i have left. like, ultimately, plugins in a videogame are a non-issue. i have opinions, everyone does, but there's some things that drastically outweigh ffxiv competitive integrity.

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gonna be real, for the most part others' use of these tools doesn't affect me or my gameplay.

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So, you would be okay with the results of this game without ultimates or savage? Cause that's the final effect of those tools being used.

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So, you would be okay with the results of this game without ultimates or savage? Cause that's the final effect of those tools being used.

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a) did you read the post or no
b) did you understand what that line in the letter meant and what it related to? 'cuz it's not the non-world first racing viera male you quoted.

this is the dumbest gotcha ive read in a while.