Mods and cheat engine

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

Visual mods are fine, but manipulating boundaries with scrips is a line that shouldn't be crossed and should in fact, be policed and treated as a violation. Otherwise it will escalate. I've seen it happen in other games. Yes, I will report it IF I SEE IT. If I don't, its obviously a harmless visual mod and I could care less.

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Glad SE has gained a free employee. I prefer to get paid for working though.

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Originally Posted by Axxion

i do find it funny that op just left this whole thread to leave it in a train wreck

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What's really funny is you did the exact same thing with the exact same topic.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

What's really funny is you did the exact same thing with the exact same topic.

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well yeah. do think people would sit down and read 11 pages worth just to see what i said?

And to many people always take the bait. not matter what with these topics.

you will see these topics like every 3-4 months.

I wish all these things were in the game so people didn't have to use mods to do this.

My guess is that they don't allow it or add stuff lightly due to things like legal agreements about 3rd party software and the fact that the game engine and servers are so fragile they don't know what might cause problems, like how fishing the wrong spot can crash the entire server.

Sad but true

Was on a discord call with a friend. Player used mods, my character was half naked. Player was able to "undress my character" Was not a funny experience. Players do this with others characters and take screenshots of them. I felt really uncomfortable with this and I had to log out before any screenshots was taken. I told the player that this is not okay.
This game really need a cheat engine. Preferable a really good one. All online games need this. Cant just hope that players wont use mods and cheats.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

Do you report all the bards playing songs way faster than they should be able to?

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They should be or they’re a hypocrite

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Was on a discord call with a friend. Player used mods, my character was half naked. Player was able to "undress my character" Was not a funny experience. Players do this with others characters and take screenshots of them. I felt really uncomfortable with this and I had to log out before any screenshots was taken. I told the player that this is not okay.
This game really need a cheat engine. Preferable a really good one. All online games need this. Cant just hope that players wont use mods and cheats.

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Was there as well, though he sent me the screenshots >_>

Zepla Furious about Blatant Cheating in FFXIV
really need a cheat engine.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Zepla Furious about Blatant Cheating in FFXIV
really need a good cheat engine....

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Cheat engine and "good" is an oxymoron. :)


Cheers

Way to necro.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Zepla Furious about Blatant Cheating in FFXIV
really need a cheat engine.

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And they do it anyways... imo remove all archivments and weapons from Ultimates.

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Originally Posted by Imora

Way to necro.

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Better than those troll threads getting necro from like 2013 we saw some time ago.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Zepla Furious about Blatant Cheating in FFXIV
really need a cheat engine.

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And she just found out? This been a thing for years…

mods that cheat is a big no no but there are some add ons out there that make the game better like decoration. I hate how limited decorating is so vanilla and confined without trying to do glitches

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

I see many using the Cheat Engine so they can make their characters sit anywhere they want, even the /doze emote on surfaces. Isn't it time to implement a system so such things can't be used? Also make it so the game files can't be modified.
And if Square Enix do allow mods, then they also should open the PlayStation for using mods so it's fair for more players.

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Honestly, the very few texture mods I have used at one point or another, if they made them available on the mog I'd gladly have stopped using them. And texture mods [primarily hair/HD skin mods] are all I have used. I don't touch the "make untelegraphed aoes visible" crap. That should get you banned.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Was on a discord call with a friend. Player used mods, my character was half naked. Player was able to "undress my character" Was not a funny experience. Players do this with others characters and take screenshots of them. I felt really uncomfortable with this and I had to log out before any screenshots was taken. I told the player that this is not okay.
This game really need a cheat engine. Preferable a really good one. All online games need this. Cant just hope that players wont use mods and cheats.

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sadly to say your character is not special, everyone can make the same one

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Originally Posted by Sathona

How does that affect you in a negative way exactly besides "im on PS so i cant do it".

Mods are a grey area, they dont care as long as you dont harm others, officially they will obviously say to not use them ofc.

Personally i dont even go through the effort to report ppl ledge sitting cause it doesnt affect my gameplay at all~

Most importantly, Yoshi P doesnt want to get in the way of ur privacy and know what you have installed on ur computer, so hes against anti cheats.

PS: Ledge sitting should become an actual emote at this point, but alas.

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It's people with your attitude that make this game ruined with third party tools. This translates into end game content, which is so toxic you're lucky to find a "TOS friendly" clear even on youtube. I had to take a break for a while from this game because the third party people such as yourself are everywhere and obnoxious.

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Originally Posted by Saranade

It's people with your attitude that make this game ruined with third party tools. This translates into end game content, which is so toxic you're lucky to find a "TOS friendly" clear even on youtube. I had to take a break for a while from this game because the third party people such as yourself are everywhere and obnoxious.

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not all tools are evil just depends on who uses them. Some make the game more eye pleasing and can change the vanilla aspects like decorating

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...01/893/a31.jpg

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

not all tools are evil just depends on who uses them. Some make the game more eye pleasing and can change the vanilla aspects like decorating

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The tools aren't evil in and of themselves, its completely dependent on the personal conduct of the user. Not to mention some of these "tools" are "free" - you have to ask yourself what information you're giving to some third party to run them. I'd say Square Enix has your best interest in mind in regards to that. Also - its not a grey area - its a full blown TOS violation regardless of platform, and yes it does make it unfair for those who play by the rules.

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Originally Posted by Saranade

The tools aren't evil in and of themselves, its completely dependent on the personal conduct of the user. Not to mention some of these "tools" are "free" - you have to ask yourself what information you're giving to some third party to run them. I'd say Square Enix has your best interest in mind in regards to that. Also - its not a grey area - its a full blown TOS violation regardless of platform, and yes it does make it unfair for those who play by the rules.

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Yoshida has literally said parsers are a grey area because he knows how much the high-end raid community values them. He may not like them but in a game entirely centered around DPS, they're not going anywhere. The raid scene as a whole would die overnight if all these third party programs were banned and the dev team is well aware of that. Hence why they do nothing about them unless it's made blatantly obvious.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Yoshida has literally said parsers are a grey area because he knows how much the high-end raid community values them. He may not like them but in a game entirely centered around DPS, they're not going anywhere. The raid scene as a whole would die overnight if all these third party programs were banned and the dev team is well aware of that. Hence why they do nothing about them unless it's made blatantly obvious.

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"Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P." - do you need any other clarification?

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Originally Posted by Saranade

The tools aren't evil in and of themselves, its completely dependent on the personal conduct of the user. Not to mention some of these "tools" are "free" - you have to ask yourself what information you're giving to some third party to run them. I'd say Square Enix has your best interest in mind in regards to that. Also - its not a grey area - its a full blown TOS violation regardless of platform, and yes it does make it unfair for those who play by the rules.

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If it's not a grey area...then Yoshi is lying. Because he himself has claimed as such. Think he knows a bit more than you do about his game respectfully

People are talking about the poses being harmless but the reason some of those poses are limited to certain circumstances is to prevent people from being degenerates out in public.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

People are talking about the poses being harmless but the reason some of those poses are limited to certain circumstances is to prevent people from being degenerates out in public.

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And then that gets thrown out the window with the play dead emote.

you type /groundsit to sit anywhere LOL

its not a cheat

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

you type /groundsit to sit anywhere LOL

its not a cheat

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By "sit anywhere" they mean using the animation for sitting on something anywhere, not /groundsit.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

If it's not a grey area...then Yoshi is lying. Because he himself has claimed as such. Think he knows a bit more than you do about his game respectfully

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You're right - he does - and he makes it publicly available here to contradict your very statement: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...0c5d56cb2e4547

"As stated in the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV: the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. Players who are determined to be using third-party tools will have their accounts suspended, or permanently banned for repeat offenses."

In the same article: "Indeed, we've only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game's standard features."

I hope this clears up things for you, and your perception that this is somehow a "grey area".

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

If it's not a grey area...then Yoshi is lying. Because he himself has claimed as such. Think he knows a bit more than you do about his game respectfully

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Here are some more easy pills to swallow from the same article I linked earlier (per Yoshi)

Use of tools that allow players to more easily complete content.
Modification of the UI to display additional information.*
Use of packet spoofing tools.
Any actions or public statements that promote use of third-party tools.

Do you have any further input about the grey area? When i read it, its pretty black and white.

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Originally Posted by Saranade

Here are some more easy pills to swallow from the same article I linked earlier (per Yoshi)

Use of tools that allow players to more easily complete content.
Modification of the UI to display additional information.*
Use of packet spoofing tools.
Any actions or public statements that promote use of third-party tools.

Do you have any further input about the grey area? When i read it, its pretty black and white.

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Yeah it's so black n white that folks aren't even being mass banned for using these things. So maybe, JUST MAYBE...it IS a grey area. You can believe what you will as is your right. But your crusade doesn't have many legs

https://c.tenor.com/_1BV1jx0q2wAAAAC...-downey-jr.gif

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

I see many using the Cheat Engine so they can make their characters sit anywhere they want, even the /doze emote on surfaces. Isn't it time to implement a system so such things can't be used? Also make it so the game files can't be modified.
And if Square Enix do allow mods, then they also should open the PlayStation for using mods so it's fair for more players.

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easy solution, walk away.

It does not effect gameplay, and looks a hell of alot better than sitting on a ledge using /groundsit.

I applaud the people that do this, makes the world more realistic.

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Originally Posted by Saranade

"Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P." - do you need any other clarification?

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Evidently, you do. This queue doesn't address what I said. Their official stance is not to use third party programs yet they openly acknowledge it's a grey area due to their value and unwillingness to police what we install. The whole point of a grey area is even if something is technically against the rules, said rules will not necessarily enforced unless it becomes a problem.

Yoshida spells this out here.

On the subject on clearing content. I never said people required third party programs to clear content. What I said is the raid scene as a whole would die off because people want to use them. FFlogs literally keeps Savage relevant since there's no reason to even bother with the content unless an Ultimate exists. There are so many basic quality of life plugins a good chunk of players would quit the game on the whole if those were banned. Nevermind the mod community, which is massive nowadays. To give you a perspective on just how prevalent these programs are, the estimated amount of active players using them is over 300k.

Yoshida and the dev team are well aware of just how ubiquitous these programs have become and the impact it would have if they were ever banned. It wouldn't be profitable. Hence why they don't enforce the ToS unless players are harassing others.

I'm just going to drop this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExsRph2Fqg&t=548s

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

I see many using the Cheat Engine so they can make their characters sit anywhere they want, even the /doze emote on surfaces. Isn't it time to implement a system so such things can't be used? Also make it so the game files can't be modified.

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Release /chairsit emote? Yes. Make it so files can't be modified or start scanning user PC acitivity? No. Anti-cheat should be limited to PvP and PVE things. Don't be a virtual Karen, get the game on PC if you want to mod just like almost every other game in existence requires.

People sitting around or modifying outfits aren't hurting you, aren't affecting you in any way. Many of their mods are things that Square themselves were supposed to fix or add, like hats for Hrothgar or Viera. Come on, man.

Disingenuous the thread.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

easy solution, walk away.

It does not effect gameplay, and looks a hell of alot better than sitting on a ledge using /groundsit.

I applaud the people that do this, makes the world more realistic.

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Yea it might look harmless but it's injecting code and manipulating game code as shown on the YouTube videos earlier.
Zepla's video
Xenosyz video

User Agreement if someone did forget about it

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Yea it might look harmless but it's injecting code and manipulating game code as shown on the YouTube videos earlier.
Zepla's video
Xenosyz video

User Agreement if someone did forget about it

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there is a fine distinction between alot of the QoL plugins and texture mods, and the flat out cheating mods like the ones that streamer got caught with.

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Originally Posted by dapperfaffer

there is a fine distinction between alot of the QoL plugins and texture mods, and the flat out cheating mods like the ones that streamer got caught with.

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Technically there is no difference between them. You can make a "moral" distinction and say, there are "good mods" and "bad mods". But this is plain double standards.



Cheers

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

Yea it might look harmless but it's injecting code and manipulating game code as shown on the YouTube videos earlier.
Zepla's video
Xenosyz video

User Agreement if someone did forget about it

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Huge difference between using a hook to catch a sitting animation from a chair and using automated UI tools that display incomming/outgoing data from the game such as the ones in those videos.