@Amdapor Keep Whiners

Don't be surprised if it gets patched to prevent speed running. It was allowed in 1.0 since the game was shutting down and the carrot/stick mechanic of gear was more in danger of being bypassed as opposed to completed.

I don't care what other people do, but don't be naive enough to think that you're not exploiting and that SE won't fix it.

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Originally Posted by Chiruru53

trash is trash... you dont become a pro by killing trash..... I learn fights by watching youtube a couple times to memorize patterns and strats and I pretty much have it. Don't enter a high level dungeon without a clue... research first. makes it easier on everyone.

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Heh - I thought people took the challenge of entering a dungeon blind and trying to figure out how to win. Why would you go memorize Youtube instead of doing it yourself?

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Originally Posted by Thotor

I do understand your frustration but you should not blame speed runner.
We are not doing this because we want to but because we NEED to.

You will understand once you reach level 50 and understand how expensive repairs are and there is no way to make money at that level.

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I do not blame them and understand why they want to do speedrun. I understand that money become an issue engame. I will myself do speedruns if I feel the need at a later time.

My point is just that you can't expect everyone to accept to do speedruns when using duty finder.

I get that it's your first run so you'd want to see the dungeon how it is and kill all the trash.
But when you have to keep entering it over and over and over and over again to get stuff for your gear, then speedrunning helps shorten the time it takes for you to get it at least. It becomes a little bit tedious i guess.

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but maybe they can update the duty finder and add a "First Timer OK" checkbox along side the in-progress one so people will only be matched with others who are ok with normal runs/cutscenes.

Is there something wrong with the duty finder? I'm a healer with a tank, we have been on que for 30 minutes. It says we have the party ready but it says "reserving instance". Is there's something wrong with duty finder? It's our first time doing this.

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Originally Posted by EmiliM

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but maybe they can update the duty finder and add a "First Timer OK" checkbox along side the in-progress one so people will only be matched with others who are ok with normal runs/cutscenes.

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I dislike this idea, because it segregates first timers into a smaller pool and caters to the jackass speedrunners who can't be decent human beings to others.
If anything, speed runners need to form their own groups and stop being so annoying.

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Originally Posted by LeopoldEM

Is there something wrong with the duty finder? I'm a healer with a tank, we have been on que for 30 minutes. It says we have the party ready but it says "reserving instance". Is there's something wrong with duty finder? It's our first time doing this.

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Probably because a lot players are trying to do the same thing and reserve a space to play it :(

After doing a couple of runs, I can definitely understand OP's sentiments about why speed running this dungeon is more preferred than fighting all the mobs to get to bosses. Just not worth it.

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Originally Posted by AzureKuhn

I dislike this idea, because it segregates first timers into a smaller pool and caters to the jackass speedrunners who can't be decent human beings to others.
If anything, speed runners need to form their own groups and stop being so annoying.

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I totally agree. I only mentioned it (which would group first-timers AND anyone else who does not mind normal runs, not sure how small that pool is) because I figure it's easier to add a checkbox than making jackasses to stop acting like jackasses (and to be fair, I understand why people would want to speedrun, so this gives them a tool to avoid the awkward/hostile situation of confronting/kicking someone for not wanting to speedrun)... Plus it would come in handy in other end-game dungeons where people get kicked if they so much as hesitate to skip a cutscene.

I am so sick of AK speed runs. They're all I do in the zone. At this point I'd welcome killing things just because it's a change of pace. I also feel bad for the players just starting the content, because some groups don't really spend a lot of time teaching and explaining.

Also, the issue with pick-up groups is that some try to speed run them when they're clearly not ready for it and usually end up wiping once or twice on the bosses due to gear or lack of experience. Most "speed runs" I've done in DF end up like this and still take an hour. However, when you have a decent group, and finish the area in 20-25 minutes, it really is a thing of beauty.