Give back pre-DT models back NOW

I want my old Au Ra face back. Before 7.0 my characters body never clipped with outfits. Now in Dawntrail cutscenes I can see my shoulders and neck clipping thru outfits.

If they do that then we will just see a "Give us back the DT models NOW" thread. Can't please everyone - I'm in the pro update crowd, if they went back, I'd be unhappy.

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Originally Posted by Cheapshot

Valid in your eyes is subjective. What you observe to be problems or not is subjective. Others will have differing experiences and notice different things. Come to terms with that. I saw you being toxic and I spoke up. I think you should re-examine how you’re engaging with others.

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You are not wrong ... but not right either. You need to differentiate between obvious issues and matters related to personal taste.

A part of Auri hands not being colored correctly and heavy compression artifacts on Elezen faces and the baked reflections bugging the housing lighting are OBJECTIVE issues.
Everyone can see them and they are BUGS that need to be FIXED.

You disliking the lips being shiny or how the light displays the mesh or me disliking the slightly clouded new Keeper eyes are SUBJECTIVE issues and we are entering the realm "some may like it, others may not".

There is no "right" and no "wrong" in this area.
Change it now: you may be happy but others may be unhappy and take your place in here and complain about these 2nd round of changes and round and round we go. No matter what SE does here, it's impossible to please all of us.

The best we can hope for, is that SE expands upon the options available for all players but knowing their track record, I would not hold my breath on that one.

Your only other option would be occult, forbidden practices. Your friendly neighborhood beast tribe shaman will be able to tell you more.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I want my old Au Ra face back. Before 7.0 my characters body never clipped with outfits. Now in Dawntrail cutscenes I can see my shoulders and neck clipping thru outfits.

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Yeah that sounds like a bug (bone weighting issue, to be exact) that needs to be fixed.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

And this is the first person I will take seriously.

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No one asked or cares whose feedback you take seriously. It's not for you, it's for the devs who told us to post it.

The same goes to anyone else who is under the misconception that their opinion about someone else's character, feedback or playstyle matters.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Count me another who likes the new models.

I tend to view this as my character having aged very slightly and matured a little - I feel the new look has ever so slightly shifted her toward looking a little more mature than she did pre-DT:
https://i.imgur.com/dDYIW0r.png

But that's just my view on the matter.

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I love this idea. After everything WoL went throught, the idea that they matured and learned from everything really sells it.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The same goes to anyone else who is under the misconception that their opinion about someone else's character, feedback or playstyle matters.

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Of course providing a counter point matters, if the other person clamors for changes that might affect me as well.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Of course providing a counter point matters, if the other person clamors for changes that might affect me as well.

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You'd have a point if the counter points were just people commenting on their own race and not a-holes gatekeeping feedback that doesn't concern them.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

There is no evidence to suggest that 7.0 was animated with the old models, there is no evidence that they had to redo an entire cutscene to slap an updated expression on it- bringing shareholders into the argument to make it sound more reasonable is just moving into fanfiction tier. This entire reasoning is nothing but baseless speculation for an excuse

It's patch 7.0, these improved expressions promised in 7.0 are not here. That's all there is to it

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The fact that they didn't take advantage of new updated models, a selling point of the entire expansion, is pretty big evidence that they models weren't finished in time to actually use them. We can also look back to all the problems people had during the first benchmark just a few months ago, which would've been well after the point that 99.9% of the work for the expansion was done, for more evidence that they weren't ready. And if you actually think that money isn't a motivating factor in every decision SE makes about the game, I have to conclude that you don't know how corporations work.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

The fact that they didn't take advantage of new updated models, a selling point of the entire expansion, is pretty big evidence that they models weren't finished in time to actually use them. We can also look back to all the problems people had during the first benchmark just a few months ago, which would've been well after the point that 99.9% of the work for the expansion was done, for more evidence that they weren't ready. And if you actually think that money isn't a motivating factor in every decision SE makes about the game, I have to conclude that you don't know how corporations work.

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A likely story. And complete speculation on your behalf again, based on nothing but your imagination and idea that you have any clue as to what's going on inside SE right now.
How about you quit making up excuses on behalf of SE and demand a better product? Or even, the product that you paid for?

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

A likely story. And complete speculation on your behalf again, based on nothing but your imagination and idea that you have any clue as to what's going on inside SE right now.
How about you quit making up excuses on behalf of SE and demand a better product? Or even, the product that you paid for?

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You say excuses, I say applying logic. There is absolutely no reason they wouldn't take advantage of the new facial rigging if it had been available in time, especially considering how often food comes up in the MSQ. They didn't. You can get mad, or you can think about why. And the age-old "SE is just lazy" story is just as speculative while offering no shred of logic.

I know "outrage before reason" is just how the internet is, but if people stopped getting mad as their first response, it'd be so much easier to take these forums seriously.