Change SCH Dissipation

What if they replace Energy Drain with a short-duration damage up buff Aetherflow dump?
-Still increases dps
-Always useful
- can use on self for personal dps
- Gives Dissipation some synergy with Chain Strategem
- Sylphie friendly
- Could interact with Dissipation or Recitation

Downsides:
- balance breaking
- gameplay destroying lol
- all raids instantly become SCH X2
- using Aetherflow heals would make you trash (kinda how it is now anyway because Recitation and Energy Drain lol)
- Scholar’s personal dps would have to be adjusted (not a downside to me personally lol)

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Originally Posted by Renathras

No, it wasn't. I was playing it at the time!

It was ANNOYING, not "unplayable" nor "nigh unplayable". They even baked the MP restoration into AF, so ED has no effect on that.

EDIT: I think my issue with people's arguments here is less often that they're outright mistaken about things (though that's sometimes true), but more often that they strongly overstate their positions. SCH was not "nigh unplayable". It was "somewhat annoying and feelsbad".

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https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/E...sion%20History
I would kindly direct you to the line that reads as follows: Patch 6.0 Deleted "Restores MP."

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Originally Posted by fulminating

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/E...sion%20History
I would kindly direct you to the line that reads as follows: Patch 6.0 Deleted "Restores MP."

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Yep, prior to 6.0, SCH's Aetherflow generated 1000mp, and ED generated 500mp. This was changed to alleviate MP concerns when you cannot safely ED enough (say, week 1 prog) in EW to the current, Aetherflow gives 2000mp, ED gives 0.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

No, it wasn't. I was playing it at the time!

It was ANNOYING, not "unplayable" nor "nigh unplayable". They even baked the MP restoration into AF, so ED has no effect on that.

EDIT: I think my issue with people's arguments here is less often that they're outright mistaken about things (though that's sometimes true), but more often that they strongly overstate their positions. SCH was not "nigh unplayable". It was "somewhat annoying and feelsbad".

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Are you sure you were playing SCH during that period? From anyone who played SCH when Energy Drain was relevant to MP management, everyone knows Energy Drain was integral to restoring MP when you didn't need healing because of how much MP it gives over the course of the fight. Of course... if you had a high piety gearset you could justify this, but at that point you wouldn't be saying Energy Drain has no effect to MP restoration...

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Originally Posted by Renathras

No, it wasn't. I was playing it at the time!

It was ANNOYING, not "unplayable" nor "nigh unplayable". They even baked the MP restoration into AF, so ED has no effect on that.

EDIT: I think my issue with people's arguments here is less often that they're outright mistaken about things (though that's sometimes true), but more often that they strongly overstate their positions. SCH was not "nigh unplayable". It was "somewhat annoying and feelsbad"

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Sorry but this is heavily downplaying how Sch was without ED and I can't believe someone who has played it says it. Using 5.0 as example of what no ED meant:

-Lower MP per minute as Aetherflow didn't restore as much as previously and we lost quickened aetherflow
-No dps free way to use Aetherflow stacks as weaving back then had a dps cost
-No dps free way of weaving anything outside biolysis, including the fairy skills
-No way of using Aetherflow without overheal when healing was unnecesary

This, coupled with higher mp costs lead to:

-Sch struggling in AoE situations and with low piety builds as the mp cost was too much for Sch even when perfectly managing its tools if the fight was too long
-Sch using Aetherflow and its heals much less often as it was much harder to weave them without dps loss
-Sch using the fairy skills much less often too, similar to Aetherflow weaving them was always a lost
-Sch using the fairy gauge even less than the previous two systems as the less use of Aetherflow meant less gauge generation and similar to the fairy skills it was always a dps loss
-Recitation being an underused skill since what it gave wasn't really that worth it (deplo was nerfed, no current fight back then required it and it didn't gave a significant boost to aetherflow heals)
-Seraph being also fucked as it requires 3 weave slots so either you do bio->swift->summon seraph->gcd->consolation x2 or you'll always eat a dps loss
-No priorization whatsoever, if you were to heal it didn't matter if you used fairy or aetherflow heals

Sch has 3 healing systems, GCDs, Fairy skills and Aetherflow skills, and without Energy Drain all of them were hurted to the point of players avoiding them as much as possible. If having a design that encourages players to avoid the beating heart of a job is not leaving it in a nigh unplayable state idk what else can be

The worst part is that all of us saw it coming from way before that point and it only takes minimal healing knowledge to realize the huge problems it was but SE didn't listen as usual

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Difference is both other times Energy Drain restored MP. It no longer does (that was changed this expansion), so they'll likely remove it and not give it back again, forcing us to have to spam Lustrate to remove unused AF stacks. Or I dunno, they could do something actually amazing and restore an extra 500 MP for each AF stack NOT used when they're refreshed? I don't think people would care about overcapping if it worked like that (plus extra MP restoration is always nice).

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Yeah but then you're also looking at the negative impact it has on the rest of SCH's toolkit.
Dissipation becomes functionally worthless and Aetherpact takes even longer to fill if you're not overhealing with Lustrate, and if you are, chances are you won't need the heal from Aetherpact to start with.

SCH would need a rework for them to effectively remove Energy Drain but I doubt SE can be bothered to rework any healer not named AST.

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

The worst part is that all of us saw it coming from way before that point and it only takes minimal healing knowledge to realize the huge problems it was but SE didn't listen as usual

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And it's so cute how they mock other devs for "not playing their own game" when they themselves are no better. They have no idea how healers in this game play on a fundamental level.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Are you sure you were playing SCH during that period? From anyone who played SCH when Energy Drain was relevant to MP management, everyone knows Energy Drain was integral to restoring MP when you didn't need healing because of how much MP it gives over the course of the fight. Of course... if you had a high piety gearset you could justify this, but at that point you wouldn't be saying Energy Drain has no effect to MP restoration...

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Back in Shadowbringers, whenever I read SCHs saying they have no issue with their mana without touching Energy Drains, all I could think of what actually happened was, (like you) they either have crapload of piety in their gearset, or they are not one of those who were able/bothered to try keeping uptime (less uptime = less Broils = less MP expenditure from doing nothing), which requires more effort to maintain with full 2.50s cast time.

Sadly of course, that uptime nuance was later removed when 6.0. hits.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

SCH would need a rework for them to effectively remove Energy Drain but I doubt SE can be bothered to rework any healer not named AST.

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No they wouldn't.

Decouple Energy Drain from Aetherflow
Make it an exact copy of Sage's Phlegma, rename it Outburst a spell arcanists used to have at lvl 26. Which coincidentally is when Sages get Phlegma.

It's almost like they ripped off an old Arcanist spell and gave it to Sage.

Yes it would be more homogenization but it would function better than it does currently.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

No they wouldn't.

Decouple Energy Drain from Aetherflow
Make it an exact copy of Sage's Phlegma, rename it Outburst a spell arcanists used to have at lvl 26. Which coincidentally is when Sages get Phlegma.

It's almost like they ripped off an old Arcanist spell and gave it to Sage.

Yes it would be more homogenization but it would function better than it does currently.

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Now address the issues with Dissipation and Aetherpact.