Dear Squeenix: Instead of using FOMO to promote PVP...

If they made past feast mounts buyable with trophy crystals, people would be so hyped for pvp, that it would be popping all the time. This a is 100% guaranteed outcome, I know people that earned those mounts would like to keep the exclusivity but truth is of all players, less than 0.1% have them.

Casual pops around the day, Ranked is dead on water without things that separate it from Casual.

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Originally Posted by Johners

That's because there's no real incentive to grind out a win. In ranked you only derank to a certain level and in casual, you get 700 Series EXP per defeat and 900 Series EXP per victory regardless of how long the game takes. Not to mention the lack of fixed composition or team queue means you often get sub-optimal teams. Win or lose, the reward structure rewards doing it quickly rather than grinding out a result as losing 20 games quickly is worth more Series XP than winning 15 games slowly.

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So people are throwing? Good to know that's why I'm losing so much.

It's doesn't make losing any less frustrating.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

So people are throwing? Good to know that's why I'm losing so much.

It's doesn't make losing any less frustrating.

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Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

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I've had plenty of games this weekend, grinding out my PvP Series rank last minute, in which people are clearly throwing by just fighting near the point and magically letting someone push the crystal... not that I'd blame them for it. It's 700 Series EXP for a defeat and 900 for a victory. Statistically it's better to lose fast and queue again than it is to push 3+ minutes of overtime and win (assuming you even win by doing that).

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Originally Posted by Johners

I've had plenty of games this weekend, grinding out my PvP Series rank last minute, in which people are clearly throwing by just fighting near the point and magically letting someone push the crystal... not that I'd blame them for it. It's 700 Series EXP for a defeat and 900 for a victory. Statistically it's better to lose fast and queue again than it is to push 3+ minutes of overtime and win (assuming you even win by doing that).

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Right, but if they are still participating it is hard to prove intent. And they know this, I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

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I have seen multiple times people intentionally throwing or just plainly giving up. It was usually accompanied by "good game" spam or whatever, if I am not mistaken. Anyway, a fool proof way of throwing and trying to skirt a ban is just to play bad; who is going to prove it? Although, yeah, there can be some really bad players.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Anyway, a fool proof way of throwing and trying to skirt a ban is just to play bad; who is going to prove it?

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I'd imagine that there's more than a few people who do exactly this.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

...why don't you make PvP actually fun to play?

I know that's a radical notion for you guys, but at least give it some consideration.

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Instead of making a thread, that tell us nothing, can you explain how is CC unfun? I would like to hear that, instead of this bait

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Purposely throwing a match is a ToS violation, so I think that some people just do the bare minimum, even if it's just getting KO'ed and running back ad nauseam. They are technically making an attempt, just not a good one. But I do think that a lot of people just don't understand that FF XIV PvP isn't just player vs player.

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Throwing matches is a norm and has been since Feast days. It's incredibly easy to get into the same match as your friends and throw to help their ranks go up if you end up on opposing teams. ToS violation or not, people are actively doing it. This is why I'm very firm against a legit ranked competition coming back with exclusive rewards behind it because it will just become Feast 2.0 even more than it already is.