Second Wind is a terrible ability and either needs redesigned or outright removed.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I gey this was suppose to be a "got ya" comment but I'm all for it!

But then you forget msq is a thing. How is Mch (for example) suppose to heal itself? Iirc Bard doesn't have self healing either. Plenty of classes don't.

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since like, i wanna say Stormblood, you get a constant regen in every solo instance. at least in every non-RP solo instance. healing isn't an issue.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

We've had this skill for years and it's been working fine. When it doesn't save me I don't go "damn this skill sucks it needs more potency". I go "damn well I shouldn't have messed up".

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so, i'm guessing you were staunchly against the EW change to DRK's Living Dead then? after all, we had it in its crappy form for years, and it worked fine..... as a black hole for your healer's resources.

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Originally Posted by Tlachtga

since like, i wanna say Stormblood, you get a constant regen in every solo instance. at least in every non-RP solo instance. healing isn't an issue.



so, i'm guessing you were staunchly against the EW change to DRK's Living Dead then? after all, we had it in its crappy form for years, and it worked fine..... as a black hole for your healer's resources.

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Why would I be "staunchly against" it? How do you even know I use DRK to begin with to even care about that skill? You assume alot generally speaking.

And sorry LD isn't an apt equivalent for comparison to a role skill. I didn't have an issue with how LD use to work. I mained whm back then so I was always keeping my benediction at the ready when paired up with Drks. I'm also not against the change but don't feel it was needed. Same for this here. SW doesn't need to be touched, but if it is touched yall better not be here whining about healers having even less to do. All I'm gonna say

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I didn't have an issue with how LD use to work. I mained whm back then so I was always keeping my benediction at the ready when paired up with Drks. I'm also not against the change but don't feel it was needed. Same for this here.

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yikes

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

SW doesn't need to be touched, but if it is touched yall better not be here whining about healers having even less to do. All I'm gonna say

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Second Wind is irrelevant in that discussion, because healers want engagement.

someone popping an 8k heal every 2mins doesn't rob us of engagement.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I didn't have an issue with how LD use to work. I mained whm back then so I was always keeping my benediction at the ready when paired up with Drks.

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I can't even think of a good joke for this one. Sometimes someone falls on their face in such a spectacular way there you can't top what just happened, lmao.

That's saved my butt a lot of times as the BRD of the party. It could use a boost or shortening the CD but it's still useful.

Second Wind is fine. If you want more self-healing you can use Bloodoath or potions. DPS roles shouldn't be able to heal substantially, this is the role of healers, so it works as intended.

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Originally Posted by Tlachtga

yikes



Second Wind is irrelevant in that discussion, because healers want engagement.

someone popping an 8k heal every 2mins doesn't rob us of engagement.

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Wheres the yikes? You gotta do better with these "got yas" man seriously.

You can't then say SW is irrelevant...when YOU were the one who brought a class skill into the discussion. If healers want engagement they need to stop advocating for better healing options for other classes. Have you not payed attention over the years?

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Wheres the yikes? You gotta do better with these "got yas" man seriously.

You can't then say SW is irrelevant...when YOU were the one who brought a class skill into the discussion. If healers want engagement they need to stop advocating for better healing options for other classes. Have you not payed attention over the years?

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They are saying "yikes" because it's easier than typing out why old LD is such a subpar skill compared to Holm "lol, can't stop me" gang and Hallowed "I'm ____ invincible" ground. Come on, you are just being willfully ignorant at this point, lmao.
Geeze, even GNB's version of the skill better than old LD. You are just a rabble rouser, arn't ya!

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Originally Posted by Succor

Second Wind is fine. If you want more self-healing you can use Bloodoath or potions.

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And what are BRD/MCH supposed to do when there's not a healer around?

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Originally Posted by Succor

DPS roles shouldn't be able to heal substantially, this is the role of healers, so it works as intended.

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Tanks shouldn't be able to heal substantially either, yet here we are when they can solo dungeon bosses, 8 man raid bosses etc.

The dawn of PvE Recuperate draws near.