People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

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Originally Posted by FireMage

And they get to suffer the consequences. It is on us as a player base to educate through negative reinforcement

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I mean, personally I don't consider myself a babysitter or a parent of the player base but if you do that's cool. I got bigger problems to handle than someone not doing something right in a dungeon. So, if you wanna carry that torch go for it dearie.

Like I said, if you have lead what you do with it is up to you. If you don't and the other people don't want to vote kick, same thing...up to you what you do with yourself.

I feel like a broken record now.

Yeah, bad apologism isn't even a good track to keep on repeat

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Originally Posted by Ghost_of_Ebina

1) When I see tanks being overwhelmed with pulls they cannot really handle / heals not being able to heal quick enough -- in such cases focusing attacks on a few to reduce the number of attacking heads seems to help better.
2) When I am playing as RDM, after my mana gauge is over 50 I do my 3-melee combos so I can unleash powerful AOEs. It would be a problem if people say those melee combos should use the AOE version which has a higher mana cost.
3) There are cases where tanks fail to capture all of the critters as they pull; in such cases I can die fairly quickly when I use AOEs. After run-ins with a number of crappy tanks I can imagine some people will hesitate.

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Even in the examples you gave, you need to be using your AOEs. The fastest way to get a tank killed is to waste your GCDs on single target while they're spending all their resources on a pull that's taking too long because you're trying to burn down one mob at a time. And you absolutely should not be wasting your mana gauge as a RDM on your single target combo during pulls when your Enchanted Moulinet combo costs 60 and deals 130 potency to everything it hits. That's a DPS gain on 3 targets.

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Originally Posted by Ghost_of_Ebina

There are various borderline cases where doing AOEs seem to not help. In such cases I hesitate to say "if you don't use AOEs you should go blast your head off."

1) When I see tanks being overwhelmed with pulls they cannot really handle / heals not being able to heal quick enough -- in such cases focusing attacks on a few to reduce the number of attacking heads seems to help better.
2) When I am playing as RDM, after my mana gauge is over 50 I do my 3-melee combos so I can unleash powerful AOEs. It would be a problem if people say those melee combos should use the AOE version which has a higher mana cost.
3) There are cases where tanks fail to capture all of the critters as they pull; in such cases I can die fairly quickly when I use AOEs. After run-ins with a number of crappy tanks I can imagine some people will hesitate.

Overall I would agree that AOEs should be used in optimal conditions.
However, as we can end up with various types of people in the roulettes I tend to not assume and at least for the first 1 or 2 enemy groups try to understand how the other party members are functioning.
If I can mindlessly blast AOEs that would be easiest, but there are cases where it may not be the optimal choice.

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Single target is the absolute worst you can do in situations where your tank and healers are bad and struggling. Unlike trusts, their resources arent infinite. A tank with a terrible healer will run out of cooldowns, a healer with a terrible tank will run out of resources. If the mobs arent dead at that point you will wipe. If the tank misses an add you do not stop to aoe, you stack up with the tank to make them hit the mobs they missed with aoe.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Thanks for your opinion. I'll still have mine. You can leave this thread. I won't miss you either.

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No matter what aspect of the game people criticize, Reap will find a way to be the contrarian. You're all wrong for not liking everything about the game and expecting anything out of the community.

I think some of you people need to stop playing the game because clearly you're not having any fun.

I mean OK your 15 minute dungeon took you 30 because of 2 or 3 wipes, I'm so sorry for your loss, but for the love of god move on. I promise you that people that don't know how or when to do an AOE rotation are not even reading their weaponskills, let alone this forum.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

It's a game that is now being squarely pivoted to attract casual players.

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I don't disagree that the game has switched it focus to attract casual and none-MMO/solo-game players (I believe Yoshi-P has even said as much) but then they should do things solo-games do like forced tutorial missions. ( ´ ▽ ` )ﾉ
The devs should dust of the Hall of the Novice, freshen it up with new and updated lessons, and require it to progress in the MSQ. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Yeah you can control yourself and make that choice for yourself. If you have lead, by all means. If you don't though and they refuse to, the choice is on you to leave, educate calmly or bare with it. There's no option that involves forcibly changing another person's mentality.

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Being lead in DF means literally nothing. Anyone can initiate a vote kick, the "party lead" doesn't actually do anything.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

If they're just tired from work, they still should be able to spam an AOE. If they can't, they're not just tired from work, they're incompetent too.

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That line of thinking can be applied to anything in the game. Hard disagree. If I'm tired or drunk and I get home from work and want to do roulettes and be shit at it that's my right, too. Make a PF, set your rules, problem solved.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Please stick to Squadrons, Duty Support, and Trust.

This is aimed at people who like to do single target rotations when people wall to wall for them. You're legitimately a detriment to the party.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

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I feel you dude. I ran an expert recently in the newest dungeon(I forget what it's called). There were 2 NINs in the party, me being one of them. The other NIN only used doton on the first boss that is full of adds. Never used it on ANY of the wall to wall pulls. I'm sitting there scratching my head like..."Really?" XD Thankfully we were all well geared so the dungeon was still quick. Could have been faster though.