Just Another Housing Complaint

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Originally Posted by Fybrile

2. The number of personal plots is 1,440 on a server now (isn't it?). On a server of 35,000 (I'll assume players), that's only enough houses for 4% of them. Surely you'd estimate that more than 14% of players are interested in getting a house. (based on the 4% with houses I've guesstimated, plus the 10% you've guesstimated are interested in it). Does that really sound right to you? I'd have guessed a third really want one, a third won't say no to one, and a third don't care about one.

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There are 7200 plots on Siren and only recently have wards been adjusted and that remains to be seen if they'll stay FC only and how the distribution will be handled when they begin to make adjustment or add additional wards. So really trying to use the 1440 is a bit disingenuous don't you think given many of those 7200 plots are already personal. I suspect they'll be no adjustments to the FC distribution until 6.2 but we could be surprised. In addition I suspect a lot of people are making small FC's to by pass the restrictions and in fact buying personal FC houses.

In addition a good number of people have alts on Siren (I have 5) and a good number of my friends have them as well and given the 4.2 rules only one of them can buy a house now on the same server. How many alts are there I don't know but I bet there are a ton of them. There are also people who are new and can't buy houses and those who don't even want a house and many of those 35000 characters aren't active unless the 35000 figure represents active numbers and I'd love to see a link supporting that.

I don't disagree that ward housing isn't sufficient and in lieu of massive additions instanced housing alongside wards would be a better solution. SE has to have a better handle on how many want houses given the lottery numbers and hopefully will begin to take actions to address the imbalance.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

There are 7200 plots on Siren and only recently have wards been adjusted and that remains to be seen if they'll stay FC only and how the distribution will be handled when then begin to make adjustment. So really trying to use the 1440 is a bit disingenuous don't you think given many of those 7600 plots are already personal. I suspect they'll be no adjustments to the FC distribution until 6.2 but we could be surprised. In addition I suspect a lot of people are making small FC's to by pass the restrictions and in fact buying personal FC houses.

I don't disagree that ward housing isn't sufficient and in lieu of massive additions instanced housing alongside wards would be a better solution.

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No, I don’t think it makes my post disingenuous. Every word is genuinely meant. Slightly incorrect, but not disingenuous. I thought that was self-evident by the sheer number of times I expressed doubt at my math and asked for correction.

It’s posts like yours that make my guess, my totally blind stab in the dark, to become more accurate. So thank you. Let’s fix it.

So, now we are at 35k active players (we are still assuming those are players and not characters) for 1440 plots plus about half of the remaining (7200 or 7600? I’ll use 7200 since it was first). So, about 4k personal plots, or enough plots for 11% of the player base. Better than 4%, but still not enough for 9/10 players.

Sadly, I don’t see this change making a substantive difference to the point, but it’s making the math more accurate which is great! My guess is that, when all the data is correct, we will still only see enough houses for fewer than a third of all active players.

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Originally Posted by Fybrile

Sadly, I don’t see this change making a substantive difference to the point, but it’s making the math more accurate which is great! My guess is that, when all the data is correct, we will still only see enough houses for fewer than a third of all active players.

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You have a link supporting those 35000 characters are active characters?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You have a link supporting those 35000 characters are active characters?

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Bancho is the closest, he tracks players as active if their profile, gear, title change survey to survey. But even that is not accurate as people do sit with zero changes.

https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/wsurve...tm?world=Siren

And it is characters. No way anyone knows who is who's alt, so accounts is impossible to know.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

My more hypothetical question is if housing were guaranteed, how many of the people who aren't participating would be interested in getting a house? I think the lack of "interest" in housing is more of a housing supply problem then a potential want for a house problem. I get saying ~10% of players are actively trying to get a house or have one, but I believe the want for a house is much higher.

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Hard to say. Some people clearly find the lottery to be too hard, and I can understand this, it's stressful! And some can't deal with that - nothing wrong with that.

But it's not a majority of the complaints here, just one or two people. But yes, that's a valid question. I still think 10% is about correct, but maybe add 5% to be generous. Not everyone cares about housing by a long shot.

And editing in also from below...

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Originally Posted by Fybrile

...I saw, in passing, 50k for Hyperion a few weeks ago, but I thought that was character population, not active players...

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Lucky Bancho suggests 33,057 active characters on that world. Same disclaimers as to this is all a guess on their part with the source we have - lodestone ;)

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You have a link supporting those 35000 characters are active characters?

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It’s not my number to defend. Shibi posted it and hasn’t had a chance to respond to your and my request for clarification yet. I saw, in passing, 50k for Hyperion a few weeks ago, but I thought that was character population, not active players. I assumed active players in the math thus far so that his guess of 10% interest wasn't deflated - which it would be if that was characters. That number being characters would make the number of players currently bidding much more alarming.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Bancho is the closest, he tracks players as active if their profile, gear, title change survey to survey. But even that is not accurate as people do sit with zero changes.

https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/wsurve...tm?world=Siren

And it is characters. No way anyone knows who is who's alt, so accounts is impossible to know.

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Thank you for the link and yeah I suspect alts are a sizeable number but that's hard to say. After all is said and done the lottery numbers have to at least give SE a better indication of those who want a house and who can't get one. Those who aren't bidding either don't want one or can't afford one or don't care enough to try and we're not talking placard clicking anymore but only showing up and putting your gil into the pot of those trying for it.

If they don't act on hard numbers there isn't really much we can do about it but continue to complain.

Alright, closer still. If you take an low average of that site’s statistics, and allocate 30,000 characters per server (about half of the 2.2 million reported), and then say that 2/3 of those characters are actual active players and the other 1/3 is alts, you’re left with 640,000 active players in the game (waaaaaaay low, but for the purpose of making a point, we’ll roll with it because anything higher than that just makes my point stronger). That would make the approximate 128k personal plots enough for 20% of the player base.

The point of all this pseudo science? It’s clear that on your best day, when all the numbers fall in your (SE apologists’) favour and we count only a quarter of the ACTIVE player base (remember, 10s of millions of players total), 4/5 players STILL couldn’t participate in this content even if they wanted to.

It’s just not enough.

Just wanted to hop in and say I agree with the post overall! I don't think it's fair to argue and use an example of people spending allnighters at the time to just get a home. That's just wrecking your personal health for a video game - not something worth bragging about or suggesting that someone else who didn't do that is at fault for it because they're complaining about that system now. That's just unfair to me. Even the staff of this game have specifically said they want their players to actually take care of their health and play when they want to. There's many reasons why someone wasn't able to get a house and it's not okay to assume the reasoning as to why.

As an example, I have some friends who deal with issues with fatigue, and are often far too tired to even consider going for a house at the time when lotteries weren't a thing yet. It's just not cool to think that just because you managed to get one with the old system that everyone else could do the same. While the lottery nowadays does help with this issue specifically, the main issue is still just the fact that there simply isn't enough plots to meet the demand.

I also agree and firmly believe that they're not actively ignoring this problem or had any malicious intents behind it. Just an idea that didn't go well, and that they can't exactly backpedal on now because they're far too deep in. The only thing that could possibly make sense to me at least is to create more wards. I don't know how much effort such a task would take, but as someone who's been wanting a house for a really long time now the lottery system surely isn't going to help the problem of just not having enough houses. It sucks seeing hundreds of people entering for one plot of land knowing that most of them will have to login and defeatedly walk up to the plot and take their money back. I really want to just add another voice to echo the "Please do something about this."

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Originally Posted by Glitchima

It sucks seeing hundreds of people entering for one plot of land knowing that most of them will have to login and defeatedly walk up to the plot and take their money back. I really want to just add another voice to echo the "Please do something about this."

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I do wish it was an automatic refund. I know some people really have their heart set on getting a house so it must feel awful to have to go get your money back.

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Originally Posted by Gaspodia

It must feel awful to have to go get your money back.

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Nope. I've done it four times and it didn't feel awful even once.
It felt really nice when my spouse won, though.

That said, automatic refund would be convenient, especially when I'm up to placing six bids at a time.