"gogogo" might make me quit this game.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

That is the reason why it is a bad idea when tanks can create AoE threat so easily, IMHO. That thing is really good in WoW classic that you have to fight to get threat from every single mob. It prevents the "gogogo"-mentality very effectively because "gogogo" is not possible without dead DPS players.

Cheers

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Not only do you have snap aggro on everything in a huge circle around you (cone if you're a warrior... lol), you can also then go afk, because no further action is needed.
Basically sprint through the dungeon while hitting the aoe combo, stop running, press a mitigation button (whichever is available), go get a drink or something.
A tank in dungeons can even ignore mechanics.

How that's fun, I don't know. I find tanking dungeons exceedingly boring.

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

make the damange receive more intense

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Also, remove skills like Lucid Dreaming. The group is only as fast as the healer supports, and without MP, things slow down automatically.
Some MP draining mechanics would also be nice.

They made a mistake, removing TP.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Tia fanboy.

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/facepalm

Go sit in a corner.

Not gonna pitch in any thoughts here, but I’ll give some advice:

Look at loot while you’re dealing with mobs. It’s tricky at first but it comes easily. Just click (or select if youre in console) the loot popup in the bottom right corner of your screen (or wherever you’ve tucked your notifications popup). Leave that open while running to the next mob. Right click (or whatever it is to try on gear on console). Give it a quick pass with your eyes. If the iLVL is greater than yours, roll on it.

Alternatively: roll need/green on EVERYTHING. When you’re out of the dungeon you can look at your loot and give what you don’t need or want to the grand company for GC seals. I’ve made about 2mil gil off of this because I’ll exchange seals for glamour prisms/glamour dispellers.

Also - there’s only a tiny amount of dungeons which have cutscenes longer than a few seconds. No matter what I will not join in a fight until everyone’s finished a cutscene, so if the cutscene is on the longer end I’ll sit next to the person and type in party chat “Watch your cutscene.” if they’re new. If we get locked out, so be it. I hope the tank, healer or DPS can survive until whoever’s watching the cutscene is done.

(I also W2W pull, the two don’t need to exist separate from each other)

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

One of the problems with going slow is that fighting 3 enemies is boring for everyone

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Boring or not, if there are new players mainly tanks or heales then maybe they aren't comfortable with going fast in a new dungeon. No one should feel pressured to pull wall to wall. At least FF14 limits pulls unlike in WoW where you can pull from boss to boss and it's horrible.

It's a tragedy that people have to learn how to press buttons to do solo duties too. Maybe that means it's time to learn how to play.

Nobody is going to do/say anything if you look at loot or watch a cutscene, and you're not missing anything except getting hit by mechanics.

They should make all dungeons like BA.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

Not only do you have snap aggro on everything in a huge circle around you (cone if you're a warrior... lol), you can also then go afk, because no further action is needed.
Basically sprint through the dungeon while hitting the aoe combo, stop running, press a mitigation button (whichever is available), go get a drink or something.
A tank in dungeons can even ignore mechanics.

How that's fun, I don't know. I find tanking dungeons exceedingly boring.

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I'm not going to lie it is almost to easy to tank in FF14 but part of me is happy it is because if it was not we wud most lightly have the same issue in FF14 as in WoW and that would be 90% of the player basis would choose to be DPS

I'd much rather the difficulty from dungeons stem from bosses as opposed to trash packs. I do not support giving them bizarre mechs, I like mass pulling and aoeing things down and then having bosses that do interesting things like Aenc Thon, the DR bosses, etc. If you want surprises in the middle of a trash pull, go play deep dungeon. It's more fun to spend 10-15 minutes in a dungeon run with interesting bosses as opposed to a 40 minute slog where each trash pack is a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

its hard to blame SE for something that the PLAYERS do.

let be realistic, a majority if not all of the people rushing through figure they have to do things as fast as possible. thats society and gamers. everyone is in a rush, everything is expected to be fast so they dont, heaven forbid, have to think.

dont blame the game, blame people.

the people that want to rush... will always rush, no matter what the developers do. its current human nature. because deep down, a majority are terrified of... "boredom"

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Players adapt to what systems allow them to. Once upon a time, healers actually didn't DPS but were far more conservative and mostly focused on healing. We have the infamous statements Yoshida has made about not wanting to make healers feel forced to DPS. What changed? The community realized outgoing damage is relatively low, thus they don't need to focus on healing. Nowadays, it's downright negligible. Which only further incentivizes the "gogogo" mentality.

The dev team is absolutely at fault. In their pursuit of accessibility, they went too far into the extreme territory: everything is laughably and hilariously easy so even the absolute worst players can still clear. Dungeons are essentially participation trophies. Therefore, better players brute force content the game allows them to. I'm not going to disengage for an AoE I know won't kill me. Nor do I care about collecting a vuln stack or two when the damage increase is trivial. And I'm not going to single pull mobs unless everyone else wants to go slow. In which case, I'll take my penalty and leave.