How to Build a PLD, needing tips plz.

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Originally Posted by Stufoo

You are the most extremely awful shitlord ever to post here. I guess we know why that stupid parse you posted had you getting hit by crimson cyclone. It's an EXPLOIT IN THE GAME to dodge attacks.

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LOL no not an exploit, but I would call a fight flawed when WHMs and THMs are "tanking" it. making heavy hits avoidable seems to undermind the need for a "good" tank. But soo long as your ok with being a bad tank , I guess flawed fights are ok with you. Do you NEED high def or vit? obsolutly not, and that is the problem, wich is why I am using CC for a reference point. the only boss in wich no normaly geared dd or healer can survive the "heavy hits". Can one still dodge 100 tonze? ofcourse, but is the fight easier if you can actually handle everything CC dishes out? absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

I have no idea what I am talking about. I just rabble rabble rabble about stuff I have no idea about. Also, I think I am right about everything involving tanking. Worship me for I am your Paladin God.

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Cool story bro. I have full Heavy Darklight Gear and run over 230 enmity on my tanking set. I believe I have plenty of enmity, VIT, STR, and other bits used for tanking. I have 4250 HP in a full party and no food. Also, I run from 100 tonze, so I guess I suck. We have 2 WHMs and one nukes full-time on CC since we only need 1 healer cuz we run from 100 tonze! My LS kills CC in about 50seconds so I guess we all suck too. We run AV in 18mins so we're terrible.

Please die in a fire for all the conclusions you jump to.

P.S. Note that when I am passing judgments on you it is over things you have said. Whereas when you pass judgement on me it's about things you assume to be true and subsequently aren't since you're making shit up.

Your logic is somewhat flawed Ace. While you may have the capability to take the brunt of the hit from 100 Tonze, you also have to consider that once he gets to 50% CC starts to spam moves back-to-back which leave alot of room potential hazards to occur like Animal Instinct, Eye of the Beholder, etc. When he's on his ass that's 10-15 seconds he's not spamming those potential moves (even longer if you get a good stun on him), meaning WHM's don't have to waste MP to help heal and can help nuke to speed up the kill, close-ranged DD's can freely go all out w/o taking a risk, and you have a short breathing period to heal, buff, or DD yourself especially if your defensive abilities are on cooldown, it's also the perfect opportunity to throw out a Riot Blade combo to land Defense Down and help your DD's floor him faster.

I just overall don't see the benefit of trying to take it head on when you make it that much easier on yourself and your party to NOT get hit by it.

Nevermind the fact that it's just much more fun to run around while fighting than to stand in one spot spamming actions.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Nevermind the fact that it's just much more fun to run around while fighting than to stand in one spot spamming actions.

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Some people do hate kiting (which isn't what THIS is about, I know, but)
Hell, last time I got to actually tank was because my group's official secondary tank went "Argh, [censored] kiting" and then it was up to me.

I do have to admit I personally favor straight-tanking and, short of it being a literal impossibility, will always do that instead of kiting or moving around more than nescessary for combos. Of course, taking advange of this game's emphasis on mobility to assist your straight tanking is okay.

Well we're not really debating the merits of straight tanking versus kiting. This became an awful discussion about a single mob, that takes a minute to kill, and has an intended mechanic in place for avoiding a single ability it uses. It is, in my opinion, impossible to argue that staying in place and taking said ability to the face is more efficient than taking a few steps back to avoid it. This causes the mob to self-incapacitate. If someone cannot see that then that's pretty hopeless, again, in my opinion (not sure why I feel the need to emphasize this so much seeing as how this is a forum and those are designed for the sharing of ideas [opinions] to begin with).

Anyhow, my deepest apologies if I've contributed to the shitting up of this thread. All I can say past that is ignore what Ace says. He is quite wrong the vast majority of times he posts and I hate nothing more than people getting incorrect information and wasting their time.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

1) considering the fact that server lag is still an issue , even if I see my chr standing next to the party (behind coin counter) long before 100 tonze , ocasionally it will still hit me, wich means coin counter will NOT fall on his ass , instead will begin to turn twards me and the rest of the party in wich case he can proc any of his aoes and wipe the rest of the party. Until latiency is fixed this will happen , soo IF you can get away with posting up with little dificulty , Personaly, I sugest doing so.

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"But on my screen..."

Guarantee the server lag for you is no worse than the rest of us. All the server lag means is you have to react that much quicker.

Pro tip:

To avoid big hitting moves more easily, use a filter on your battle log to filter out everything but successful hostile actions against you. Then instead of watching for visual queues, watch for 100 Tonze (for example) in the battle log.

I do use filter, wich is why cool downs on abilties are not very problematic , simply use the proper combonation of abilities and in proper order and even three consequtive 100-tonze is fairly simple to strait tank.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

Well we're not really debating the merits of straight tanking versus kiting. This became an awful discussion about a single mob, that takes a minute to kill, and has an intended mechanic in place for avoiding a single ability it uses. It is, in my opinion, impossible to argue that staying in place and taking said ability to the face is more efficient than taking a few steps back to avoid it. This causes the mob to self-incapacitate. If someone cannot see that then that's pretty hopeless, again, in my opinion (not sure why I feel the need to emphasize this so much seeing as how this is a forum and those are designed for the sharing of ideas [opinions] to begin with).

Anyhow, my deepest apologies if I've contributed to the shitting up of this thread. All I can say past that is ignore what Ace says. He is quite wrong the vast majority of times he posts and I hate nothing more than people getting incorrect information and wasting their time.

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Sorry I gota LOL at this, only thing I have ever advocated in these forums is that def/vit set up works and that strait tanking is more often a better option when tanking boss mobs. Soo you are on the record saying that, that is incorect. then you want to try to discredit me as far as having a working knowledge of how to tank, lmfao. Ok buddy, stack that enmity and hp all you want brother, just gives me somthing to LOL at when I see you running around in tank gear. Even before 2.2b keeping hate pld was childs play, sorry if you couldnt figure it out.

How is it your spou out with ignorant statements and feel satisfied that you are correct. I fully understand the mechanics of the CC fight, taking CC down in 50seconds is comendable but that only gives credit to your DDs and shines light on the reason why you stack enmity. It dose NOT, however, credit you with anything other then managing to stay alive for 50 seconds while CC face rapes you and your 4200 hp LOL,

This is in no way to discredit my fellow LS members, but we do not take CC down if 50 seconds, some of us just dont play often enough to build the gil or dol/doh job base to support epic gear builds. Dose that mean they are lesser players because it takes them twice the time in half the gear? I dont think soo. Your ego is unfounded. Weather or not you realize it , your party is carrying you. your simply the sacraficial lamb that apreantly takes pride in quick wins that had very little to do with your "tanking skills" Pending on the dificulty, gona love seeing your dead body pop outa Extreem Ifrit fight because your whole phylosiphy on tanking is built around speed kills. Truth be told , your whm could prolly do as well tanking CC with your tatics as you do.

This gives credit to the tatic, admitedly, but dose not give any credit to your tank. I take pride in being able to actually support my WHMs by not taking damage like a pus, while strait tanking mobs that most run from, for no other reason other then to stay alive.

Bah!, I have waisted enough time on you grey, even tho I belive your completely dilusional with your tanking phylosiphy, I can live with agreeing to disagree, besides, your gona prove my point for me on the new Ifrit fight anyways soo this whole discussion is needless. Enjoy your speed runs, till you change your veiw thats bout all you will be good for, wich btw, whm tanks work good for speed runs too lmfao.