5.3 COMPLETE patch notes

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Don't care in the slightest. If you're gonna try to shove my job into a box then yes I'm going to rebel against that. Don't like it? Then don't do it.



It's really simple. One is clearly a statement of opinion, the other a transparent attempt to present opinion as fact. I never once said "Warrior is this thing and should be played for this reason" yet the other person did say that about RDM.

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So we're just pretending the rest of us don't know what that user posted was that users opinion so we can pretend to be offended because we're bored and can't be in the game today?

Alright, that explains all I need to know. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

So we're just pretending the rest of us don't know what that user posted was that users opinion so we can pretend to be offended because we're bored and can't be in the game today?

Alright, that explains all I need to know. Carry on.

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Hm? Perhaps you struggle with reading. Let me help you by pointing out the relevant text: "what RdM was before the buffs and still is for many parties: training wheels."

This is an opinion to you? That's the hill you're choosing to die on?

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Hm? Perhaps you struggle with reading. Let me help you by pointing out the relevant text: "what RdM was before the buffs and still is for many parties: training wheels."

This is an opinion to you? That's the hill you're choosing to die on?

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You're dying on a hill crying about a game. Red Mage is an easy class, there's no denying it. Is it fun? Sure it is. But a lot of people do use Red Mage to learn fights before bringing in more complex classes because they can watch everything from afar and know how to time things.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

You're dying on a hill crying about a game. Red Mage is an easy class, there's no denying it. Is it fun? Sure it is. But a lot of people do use Red Mage to learn fights before bringing in more complex classes because they can watch everything from afar and know how to time things.

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There's no job in this game that's "complex." Your beloved summoner is not a hard job. If someone can't prog on their main job and need to play RDM to do it then clearly they do not know their main job very well, and are wasting their time playing a job they're not into just because they think it's somehow more okay to be mediocre on it than it is for them to be mediocre on their main. In fact, that goes double for summoners because their job is also excellent for prog.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

There's no job in this game that's "complex." Your beloved summoner is not a hard job. If someone can't prog on their main job and need to play RDM to do it then clearly they do not know their main job very well, and are wasting their time playing a job they're not into just because they think it's somehow more okay to be mediocre on it than it is for them to be mediocre on their main. In fact, that goes double for summoners because their job is also excellent for prog.

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I don't play summoner but pop off. Your beloved red mage is easy, it's not an attack on you or other red mage mains. If you love your job don't worry about the opinions of others. This really is a silly hill.

On the note of staying on topic though, might finish leveling up my warriors on my alts...

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

Your beloved red mage is easy

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Just like every other job. Congrats on discovering the secret to FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Don't care in the slightest. If you're gonna try to shove my job into a box then yes I'm going to rebel against that. Don't like it? Then don't do it.

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Except your "rebellion" came in an entire separation conversation. You quoted someone who said nothing about Red Mage and trashed Warrior. The two were never related and now you're just backpedaling on being hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

There's no job in this game that's "complex." Your beloved summoner is not a hard job. If someone can't prog on their main job and need to play RDM to do it then clearly they do not know their main job very well, and are wasting their time playing a job they're not into just because they think it's somehow more okay to be mediocre on it than it is for them to be mediocre on their main. In fact, that goes double for summoners because their job is also excellent for prog.

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Black Mage requires you know the entire fight to properly optimize your movement tools. It is far and away harder to master than Red Mage, and is frankly useless in a prog setting since you aren't prioritizing damage. Therefore, many Black Mage mains will prog on Red Mage and strategize how the fight would go on Black Mage. It isn't a matter they can't prog on Black Mage, it's just harder. You can deny it all you fancy but Red Mage is considered the "easy" caster because, well, it is.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

RDM is no such thing, and it never has been. RDM is a legitimate part of the party in its own right. You can argue that the caster role has balancing issues because SMN brings mostly the same utility RDM does as well as more DPS, but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|

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See, you had me...

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Yawn, Warriors demanding that their job be the best in the game again, how boring. Warrior belongs in the trash bin. In FFXIV, nothing matters more than damage. What you are saying is you want warrior to be the undisputed king of tanks again and to that I say no thank you.

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... And you lost me. In only two consecutive posts, too. Gotta be a record.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

RDM is no such thing, and it never has been. RDM is a legitimate part of the party in its own right. You can argue that the caster role has balancing issues because SMN brings mostly the same utility RDM does as well as more DPS, but reducing my job to "training wheels for prog" really pisses me off. People like you who push this meme are the worst. >:|

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I'm pushing nothing because I don't believe RdM is a training wheel nor have I ever said so. But many parties still consider it such for prog. I've seen enough parties lock caster to Smn/ Blm in PF to know the "training wheel reputation" is still a thing.
So no need to get your knickers in a twist and attack me. I simply stated what many others still believe, even after signifcant buffs; don't shoot the messenger. Getting aggressive will get you nowhere.

i'm just gonna slide in between this lil thing above me and say, i am liking the patch notes, Gunbraker in PvP is going to feel like a beast to fight, i like the war changes, i am just more curious on what the mounts will be in this patch besides the horse mount.