RDM the unwelcome DPS :(

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Originally Posted by Ahrijlaken

DPS is the easiest thing to balance : You get the data of rDPS and pDPS and you ajust potency.
RDM is not a damage support DPS class, rdm deserve better pdps, period.

BLM deserve the first spot, it's normal, it's a slow cast/mobility caster with 0 utility for the group beside his damage. Then Monk 2nd ok no problem, then every DPS ( exepct ninja/dancer) should be 3rd with dragoon and machinist and then Ninja/Dancer should be 4th but not too far behind the other like it is now. Ninja/dancer deserve better pDPS.

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I wouldn’t call BLM immobile.

3x teleports, 1x leyline teleport, 3 instant casts, swiftcast, procs.

The difference is u need to know the fight well enough to utilise this mobility as if u just panic target the first player in sight and hit teleport u could die due to his positioning.

U also forgot SAM :p

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Originally Posted by Duelle

While I agree with the former, this would call for turning rezzes into role actions across the board. Have Resurrect be the DPS role action on a 90-120s cooldown, and have Raise be the healer role action that is a spell with a 10s cast time.

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I mean, you could if you want. Healers already all have the same GCD raise, so turning them into a role skill doesn't really change anything for them. Its 8 seconds though, not 10. RDM is the only raise at 10 seconds, because of dual cast. Role skill OGCD Ressurect on a 120 second cool down feels natural enough for me, even better if it got charges.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I wouldn’t call BLM immobile.

3x teleports, 1x leyline teleport, 3 instant casts, swiftcast, procs.

The difference is u need to know the fight well enough to utilise this mobility as if u just panic target the first player in sight and hit teleport u could die due to his positioning.

U also forgot SAM :p

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Wait - what 3 teleports does BLM have?

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Originally Posted by Memento

Wait - what 3 teleports does BLM have?

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they are able to teleport to other party members, im pretty certain it has 3 stacks to it.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

they are able to teleport to other party members, im pretty certain it has 3 stacks to it.

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10 second cooldown, no stacks.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

10 second cooldown, no stacks.

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Oh got that abit wrong then haha, always thought it had three, maybe my memory for some reason combined triple cast and teleport haha

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Originally Posted by Zyneste

I mean, you could if you want. Healers already all have the same GCD raise, so turning them into a role skill doesn't really change anything for them. Its 8 seconds though, not 10. RDM is the only raise at 10 seconds, because of dual cast. Role skill OGCD Ressurect on a 120 second cool down feels natural enough for me, even better if it got charges.

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The reason I mention this is more because of ACN splitting into SCH and SMN. It would be a lot less messy over having to create two version of Resurrect (SCH version on the GCD, SMN version that's an ability).

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I wouldn’t call BLM immobile.

3x teleports, 1x leyline teleport, 3 instant casts, swiftcast, procs.

The difference is u need to know the fight well enough to utilise this mobility as if u just panic target the first player in sight and hit teleport u could die due to his positioning.

U also forgot SAM :p

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Also, Xenoglossy is instant cast and stacks twice, meaning that if a BLM knows movement is coming up (and a black mage main will know that about a fight) they can hold the spell to use while moving without interruption to DPS.

Add to this a Summoner in dreadwyrm trance has every spell instant cast, and even in firebird trance everything is instant (though you do lose attacks from your phoenix pet if you move) making both jobs more mobile than red mage that can only move between dual casts.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

Embolden is the other reason RDM has lower DPS than either SMN or BLM, a 10% increase of physical damage for 5 seconds that's scaled down every 5 seconds, the only people this doesnt effect are the healer, but if you time embolden right to go in burst windows, its huge damage.

You also have to realize how mobile RDM is compared to the other 2 casters, it can move for free ever other GCD

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You need to compare like to like skills. So Embolden starts as a 10% increase then 4 seconds in is an 8% increase, and continues to get weaker as time goes on, so this isn't a flat 10% increase to DPS. Compare this to Brotherhood: that has a flat 5% increase on a 15 second duration, but has a 30 second shorter recast time. Now compare to Devotion which is also a flat 5% buff, but applies to other casting jobs also with a 15 second duration but has a 30 second longer recast time than embolden. So Embolden isn't really better than any other job skill in this regard.

One suggestion I quite like is that the red mage gets a buff to their damage when executing combos (I personally think it should be attached to casting verflare/verholy) but that buff gets removed when casting verraise. This way if the red mage is called upon to raise in a fight, then their damage goes down as part of providing that utility, but if they don't raise at all in a fight, then they deal higher damage to make up for that utility not being used.

Just to remind you the current SMN rotation need you to cut deadwyrm extremely early or youll lost all party buff window... you also possibly lost attack from phoenix if you move during firebird trance CMIIW

SMN move window is extremely strict move outside it mean losing potency...

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

Its still designed at its core to be a progression/learning job that helps clear content and then you swap to SMN or BLM for optimal speed kills. That's fine but RDM in my opinion besides its raise has almost 0 raid wide utility. Embolden with its tappering off effect and only being physical damage for as long of a cooldown as it is doesn't justify me considering a RDM a support DPS.

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That just feels so wrong to me. That's saying that RDM has no place in actual endgame content and is only there to assist others in learning the mechanics before they go for the actual kill, in which RDM is not welcome. That makes me feel dirty. :(