Mateus? No. The entire game? Oh you bet I do. Except it's not so much a dog as it's a rabid wolf chalk full of rabies. You imply this is a Mateus problem. Excalibur is currently dealing with the same issues with house hoarders except two of them are botters and one of them is a confirmed gil seller. Despite showing evidence, video etc to S-E, nothing has been done to this person or the farm botter for that matter. Hyperion was also no different either and I was in that server since Beta. It only got bad when two or three groups decided they were housing barons and wanted to turn a profit on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venjamin
This isn't just a Mateus problem. This is a game-wide problem.
Comparing mounts to plots is a really bad example. Mounts are an unlimited supply. Houses, not so much. You can at least farm mounts with proper groups and time even with low drop rates. You also don't need an alt to circumvent a limitation to getting a mount either, so again your point is a really bad comparison. There's also no drop rates on housing either.
Again, them "earning" those houses in a ward that's barely been up for a year is a stretch. They earned the cash for them. They chose to use that cash to make alts and buy plots with them. Sure, won't argue that tenacity but at some point this negative attention was bound to happen and if they expected no feedback from other Mateus players new and old then they're daft for it. Even more daft for having an interview with a known internet magazine and saying the things they did. As I said, it'll be a matter of time (a long time maybe) before an audit is done and S-E goes "Yeah... two subs owing 28 houses on a data center. That's gotta get fixed" - I'm hoping the extended delay of the Kugane plots from 2 weeks after launch to estimated time of 4.1 was hopefully for a strategy to be in place to deal with their own blunders and to not repeat the same mistake.
Anyone who also argues that you "don't NEED a house" can also suck a fat juicy lemon. It's a function placed for everybody to enjoy - you don't get to downplay others who want a house while defending those who have all the houses because they have fat stacks and unlimited free time on their hands.
1 account buying 14 houses in 1 ward.
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07-23-2017, 05:46 PMMaikoRaines
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07-23-2017, 05:53 PMKogekigami
They do need to bring in a limit. 1 house and 1 fc house per account per world. Heck maybe 1 house 1 apartment 1 fc house per account per world. I understand no one was buying the housing at the time but owning an entire ward between two players is ridiculous. Also Selfish, even if people didn't buy them at that point housing is limited as a resource and would be something in demand.
Square should just tell them to pick one house each and then do the same as if you loose you house through not logging in. Full refund stuff put in housing guard with 45 days for them to pick it up. -
07-23-2017, 06:28 PMDrkdays
The englishmen came to America and said, "This, this, and that are mine now. Why? Because the royalty said I could have whatever I want as long as I can take it and hold it. It's free for the taking after all, and I have lots of resources to use to make it mine." The native americans stared, stunned and amazed that anyone would want so much land for themselves. They had thought there was land enough for all the people, at least until some came along and showed them just how little is really available when someone can take so much for themselves.
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07-23-2017, 07:59 PMVenjaminI'm not about the life of hoarding houses to flip. That's against TOS, and so I'm against it. If you look at what I've been arguing about, it's been specific to the Mateus two who are often cited as the biggest problems in this, when they aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaikoRaines
The mounts / plots is not a direct comparison. My comparison is specific to time spent, because that's the thing people tend to forget. It's not just the gil spent, it's the time invested in it. Like I said, I'm 100% behind finding a fix, I just don't think that the two Mateus players should be foisted on pikes to get there. ( Technically if you want more than one of a specific kind of mount, you would need an alt, but that's semantic. ) The comparison was less the item comparison, and more the effort part, because people say "make them give up the plots, but compensate them" as though gil would be an adequate compensation for a year's time.
They earned the cash, and they leveled the alts to get them. The old, native Mateus players never had an issue with it, and the new ones only had a problem because... well, frankly, they got screwed by the rush. The old Mateus players knew there was still hundreds of plots open when the other two went to get their ward. I have no sympathy for the new Mateus players who took advantage of a free service and then were sad because they didn't get a house on top of it.
I didn't realize the Kotaku thing was actually an interview - I read it, and I thought Kotaku was just quoting things from their tumblr response. They said that stuff on tumblr because at that point, it'd been a source of constant harassment. People snap eventually, and if all they did was say some mean stuff, then oh well.
The argument of not needing a house, again, is specific to gameplay. I don't have a house, and I can do pretty much anything I want in game. I say the need isn't there because it isn't. I also say that the two don't -need- their 28 houses, but they have them nonetheless, and it's up to them what to do with them ( until SE does something about it. ) -
07-23-2017, 08:33 PMKogekigamiThe same arguement can be given to those who lose there house due to automatic plot release. people lose there plot for not entering for a certain number of days. I bet half there plots arn't in use and only get entered to stop the auto. So how come there 'precious memories' get priority over people who maybe lost there house due to not being able to afford to play for two months or real life stopping them. What prioritizes there memories over the ones fc could be made making better use out of that land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venjamin
So people who used the free transfer to move from possible friends to help with the population on overcrowded servers don't deserve housing while 2 people. 2 PEOPLE get to hoard an entire ward and won't even consider giving up plots. sorry i don't get you logical taught. I would be more sympathetic to them if they actually showed some consideration to giving up land to people who have moved over or joined the server. cause that something that would of happened be it a free transfer or people joining to play with friend with the expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venjamin
lets move it away from housing in a degree. There is limited drinks in a party. Me and one other person grab all of them and don't share. You don't need the drink and I have been at this party as long as you have. so by your logic it's fair... no I'm an asshole hoarding all the drinks selfishly.
These two are being selfish and while I know SE won't step in they should consider giving up plots or face being demonized by the playerbase. If your going to be a selfish asshole prepared to be treated like one. -
07-23-2017, 09:27 PMRyelNo it cannot, not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogekigami
While I don't agree with the current system for inactive housing reclamation, the two people on Mateus are actively keeping their plots occupied because they continuously play the game. Its in no way a comparative issue.
People with RL and subscription issues who lose the time investment to a reclaimed house, while unfair are not in the same boat as people actively maintaining their plots having them removed for not doing anything that is against the ToS and being reimbursed with gil that would have gone into housing anyway, and even then if they were able to purchase almost an entire ward between the two of them something tells me gil is of little consequence.
Two people who intentionally picked a well known dead server long before SE ever hinted at any server transfer incentives who then spent a large amount of time, money, and effort to accomplish what they did?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogekigami
Also lets not pretend that players transferred off of large pop servers like Balmung and Gilgamesh for purely altruistic reasons as if they were some grand martyrs making the ultimate sacrifice. These forums were littered with complaints about 4k+ multi hour long log in queues as well as many instances and zones either constantly being locked or constantly crashing, in addition to the already existing long time complaints concerning many housing wards being completely full for years on end with no chance of vacant plots in sight.
The majority of players who jumped ship from super high pop servers did so because at the end of the day they saw that it would be a positive gain to their playing experience, not because they were doing SE or the rest of the playerbase a favor.
Your example isn't comparable and is full of personal bias and poor framing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kogekigami
Should the two players have bought up as much housing as they did? Maybe? Maybe not?
Would this even be an issue / would anyone actually care if digital housing were available for every player to have an equal access to?
Definitely not.
No other content in the game is limited this way, and it shows that it's an issue. The game doesn't suddenly "run out" of raids or mounts or crafting mats. Someone who joins the game day 5000 can still obtain the same drops as someone who joined the game day 1 and that's how it should be.
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07-23-2017, 09:39 PMKogekigami
I agree the housing design is poor and can easily be changed to instance housing and problem solved.
But we have to work with what we have which is not helped by people like these two.
I read the tumblr post and there attitude is what annoys me the most. As i said in my post if they even where considering giving up plots for the new player base. Then fine but there not and then get upset when they receive hate.
Yes se should of stopped this from happening in the first place but it doesn't make the people abusing it any better. Its the same boat as the people who found ways to afk while avoiding the auto kick to avoid queuing. People can't use flaws in the game design to excuse being an asshole. -
07-24-2017, 06:09 AMValenthThe nicer part referred more to the fact people apparently sent the couple death threads and such, as well as some strong language posted here on the forums itself. Yes, they've worked hard for it, which is why I expect them to be fully reimbursed, maybe with something extra on top of it as well. You could be right about the design, but I find it more likely to be a design oversight because I would imagine Yoshi-P himself would probably prefer more people having a house, right? Or do you really think, knowing him, he would rather have a few people posses a multitude of houses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Venjamin
Ethics don't exclusively apply to needs, they very much apply to wants as well. Whenever you're dealing with humans ethics definitely, though not exclusively, apply no matter the medium. As an example, surely you don't think it's okay for the couple to get swarmed with all the vileness they've been? You even mentioned you don't find it fair they would lose all their hours of work. That is your ethics speaking right there, and a kind thing to say for them in their defense -
07-25-2017, 01:22 AMDriavnaFF housing it's ok and that's about it, compared to games like Wildstar your options are very limited to the point that it feels outdated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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07-25-2017, 10:34 PMPentheaWildstar seems to be the only game that has housing as good or better than FF. Pity the rest of the game is not though. Housing isn't everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Driavna