Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

The basics of the game are not new anymore. While I don't mind people going in blind, but if you're going to ask what to watch out for, why not ask Google that?

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Jesus fu--yes, exactly! One of my biggest pet-peeves. I don't mind giving pointers if someone asks, but I would also wonder why they couldn't have just looked it up beforehand if they really wanted to know.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

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The point is if you're going to stop the group to ask for tips anyway (versus just attempting a straight blind run), why couldn't you have just looked up a guide before queuing in the first place? That way you're able to take your time understanding the material and you're likely to find a much better description of mechanics than a hastily typed message in game chat. Plus you're not making the other people in the party/raid wait around for however long it takes to go over the basics and make sure you understand them properly.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Plus you're not making the other people in the party/raid wait around for however long it takes to go over the basics and make sure you understand them properly.

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Which is usually all of 2 minutes over the entire dungeon because generally if someone's going to help with that, they're going to anticipate giving that help again on the other bosses. They won't wait to be asked again.

Stop exaggerating the impact this actually has on a run.

Sorry you had this kind of behaviour for a MSQ run, Kragon.
To be fair, the 2nd instance you mention sounds like an epic dps fail, so maybe they saw that and wanted an easy way out of the dungeon without getting the 30min penalty -I think it might not have been something personal at all, they could kick anyone.

Now, for the 1st run, you did the right thing. It is up to you, as a tank to gauge how much and when you pull. The "pull more" spam really makes me laugh: if they really wanted a speedrun they would have used partyfinder, and if they were soooo confident in their awesome dps/healing skills they would have done and cleared the additional pull themselves -the fact that they didn't speaks volumes.


Also, keep in mind that most "mentors" you see in duties are either (a) farming for the mount in Mentor roulette, or (b) of the slacker variety you may see in Idyllshire doing nothing (if Odin is anything like Lich). They don't mentor because they can't/don't want to, and although this is breaking the agreement for the mentor status, there is nothing in place to revoke said status.

Finally, some little insight for the lol-try-hards in the thread: pulling more, wiping due to dps/heal fail, respawning, running back and starting over with mobs reset to 100% HP will take longer than doing smaller pulls and clearing them.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

The point is if you're going to stop the group to ask for tips anyway (versus just attempting a straight blind run), why couldn't you have just looked up a guide before queuing in the first place? That way you're able to take your time understanding the material and you're likely to find a much better description of mechanics than a hastily typed message in game chat. Plus you're not making the other people in the party/raid wait around for however long it takes to go over the basics and make sure you understand them properly.

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I'll just refer back to maybe some people like to play with other people, rather than treating parties as bots of variable skill.

I don't really care one way or another. I'm an odd player, myself. But I would've expected in an MMO, players would enjoy interaction, rather than encouraging behavior that reduces the need to interact with anyone.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Onto another relevant topic, the OP is a new player to the dungeon, but not really a new player if they're hitting level 60, end of 3.0 base story. The basics of the game are not new anymore. While I don't mind people going in blind, but if you're going to ask what to watch out for, why not ask Google that? For the sake of the argument that there was a mentor- yes, I am aware. You can get mentorship very easily, to the point that you don't even need the majority of dungeons previously done. As people have pointed out, you can easily farm up the 1,000 needed dungeons doing unsynced content. What if the mentor didn't know either because they never did it before? We have ourselves a little paradox here!

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Some people enjoy actually interacting with their groups and learning from other players, rather than keeping every group experience as distantly asocial as possible as though it were merely a naked transactional exchange of labor. Additionally, when other players explain a fight, it's likely they'll pare down the explanation to the bare essentials, which may help some players understand what to do by excluding information that's superfluous for their role. It's not as much of a problem in this game, but it's simply about different people learning better in different ways.


I am apparently doomed to be a shadow forever.

That kick doesn't even really make sense anyway. After the first boss there's very little opportunity to pull more than one pack and after the second every single pull is gated. It would have been much faster to just keep you in party and continue than kick and wait forever for a new tank and then still proceed at the same pace. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Jesus fu--yes, exactly! One of my biggest pet-peeves. I don't mind giving pointers if someone asks, but I would also wonder why they couldn't have just looked it up beforehand if they really wanted to know.

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Because this is a social game. You don't need to write paragraphs about strategy, just a simple "make sure you kill the adds, and avoid the AOEs".

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Because this is a social game. You don't need to write paragraphs about strategy, just a simple "make sure you kill the adds, and avoid the AOEs".

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Exactly! Just did an instance ( the Nidhogg one ) with a tank who never tanked the instance before and a DPS who had not done it in ages. A quick 15 seconds or less per boss fight was all it took and I'm not even a mentor. We had no wipes the whole run and we had fun while doing it.

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Originally Posted by Kragon

Is being a new player in mmorpgs a crime nowadays?

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The real crime is have mentors not adeguate to their role and let it pass.

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Originally Posted by Kragon

..... Is being a new player in mmorpgs a crime nowadays?

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When I was new there were same bad / nice ppl. And there was no vote kick at that moment, bad guys just kept spamming "leave!"
So I think that was not something new nowadays.

Btw, if you have not experienced these things before you reached ARF, then it was not bad at all!!
Actually it was so great as very often new guys starts got kick by MENTORs since lv18 dungeon!! ^^;