Please lift glamour restrictions!

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

The level one stuff is to limited a mag literally has no metal options , but the other disciplines do. All casters can wear is clothe how is it fair that tanks can wear pretty much anything from each discipline but mags get left in the dust

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Well the one most responsible for popularizing that was the late Gary Gygax, as he was the one who originated that idea of "healers cannot use bladed weapons or mages cannot wear heavy armour that would prove too distracting to cast spells" in Dungeons and Dragons, which computer RPGs and MMOs like FFXIV are all descended from (FFXI's manual even stated that outright in it's Job descriptions for BLM specifically, that BLMs "Cannot wear heavy armour that would otherwise interfere with their ability to concentrate").

Most RPGs still use tropes and ideas Gary created for DnD like exp, levels, stats, HP/MP, character classes and yes, restrictions on those classes. And FFXIV is no different. Once again glamour ties back into that.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Light_Steel_Galerus

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Thats the only option I have that on my drk , and its also not a chest peice like a gladiator would have while its nice but like you guys are sayin dont change anything well at least guy more options then make alot of level one stuff so we can at least have some variety.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Well the one most responsible for popularizing .

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Sigh I just don't understand the pick and chose logic here, when I came to this game I played other mmos where you could pick one job or class per character if you wanted something different run another character pretty much in all of them. I come to this one and find out how unique it is in regards to letting you play everything on one character I thought surely there must be some grand explanation for how this is possible, hah as I continued to play I realized that there was none. People go on and on about lore and what makes sense and what doesnt make sense to why this or that can happen in a game.

But seems I'm the only person that is asking the question how in the hec can my whm no karate, or knows how to box nobody wants an explinaton for this nobody cares about this. But yet this is one of the most appealing parts of the game that you can play all on one, but the game gives you no reason other than you are an adventurer or you are the warrior of light so theres your answer.take it or leave it.

So you are tellin me that Im suppose to worry about a blm wearing an armor chest plate. But Im asked to not wont a connection or some sort of dialogue explaining to me how Im a master of unbelievable magic, and I am a master of the physical combats? To me without any good reason for this then lore can just protain to the story alone and the job quest everything else is free game because the devs didnt care to explain something that so important to their games function.

So its basically like ive said dont give me a reason to how in the heck I even have the ability to cast magic and then to change into a ninja and no a totally different style of combat and not one npc even acknowledges this in the game, but yet I have to explain why I should be able to wear a specific type of gear Im lost here? You cant ask someone to over look something so major and then ask them to understand why you cant wear a piece of clothing due to lore reasons, if lore is that important then they need to go back explain how we can even do what we do in the first place warrior of light isnt good enough.

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

It's about letting the jobs keep their visual identity.

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Why? The visual identity is pretty weak as it is - and many jobs share the same gear pieces anyway. Is there some real reason the jobs need some kind of visual identity or is it just "because"?

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

But seems I'm the only person that is asking the question how in the hec can my whm no karate, or knows how to box nobody wants an explinaton for this nobody cares about this.

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I have piano and martial arts in my life.
There's the reason, straight up. It only doesn't make sense if you imply that a martial artist can have no other merit, talent, ability or gift beyond their martial art- which simply probably isn't true.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

I have piano and martial arts in my life.
There's the reason, straight up. It only doesn't make sense if you imply that a martial artist can have no other merit, talent, ability or gift beyond their martial art- which simply probably isn't true.

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oh ok so I guess Gandalf from lord of the rings new how to box as well, like come on if there is no explanation for such a thing then why does there have to be one for using glaming not actually using any gear that you want.

I can use your logic as well Im a whm and a drk so I should be able to have interchangeable gear because they are both in my life right? And surely if I can wield a sword and a magical staff then I know that I could easily know how to pick out my own clothes as well, because thats much more of a novice thing to do than actually knowing several different types of combat Im the warrior of light I wear what I want is the logic right ha.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Read what i am saying.
I am not talking about a gameplay standpoint, or anything like that.
I am talking about a pure technical mess it would be to create what you want. The glamour system is already tacked on as it is.
Once again, the whole system is based around you showing gear you can wear because somewhere the game actually thinks you are wearing said gear.
Now let's say we simply remove the job restrictions on any peace of gear. You just turned the loot argument into full on wars because it would mean that everyone can need on any piece of gear.
It is simply not just an easy switch and changing this would most likely revamping the entire armory system and everything around out it adjusted. We are talking about a gigantic update, all for this silly glamour.

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So they would have to fix the code. Yes, it would take some work, but I really doubt it is that big a deal - unless the code is really badly written to start with.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

So no, your Nymian scholar can't use boots designed by the Allag to help Summoners manifest and control primal manifestations.

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That's fine, because she isn't. That's not how glamour works in lore. You don't literally equip the gear - you cast an illusion over your current gear.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I don't think any parties involved (eg. Tonberries of Nym, Padjali, etc.) would appreciate having their image tarnished by another group wearing it. Let's also ignore the clipping issues it would have with, say, Dragoon, Ninja, Monk especially...

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Your first point is baffling as far as lore excuses go, and as for point two... I really don't think potential clipping issues should be a concern. Let players mix and match and decide if certain things clipping doesn't float their boat.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Diversity is not a bad thing

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It's not diversity when your options are limited such that everyone of your job is wearing the same stuff.

I also think that this would be a simple fix if they rolled it into a complete revamp of the glamour system (to include all the problems you mentioned).

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

oh ok so I guess Gandalf from lord of the rings new how to box as well, like come on if there is no explanation for such a thing then why does there have to be one for using glaming not actually using any gear that you want.

I can use your logic as well Im a whm and a drk so I should be able to have interchangeable gear because they are both in my life right? And surely if I can wield a sword and a magical staff then I know that I could easily know how to pick out my own clothes as well, because thats much more of a novice thing to do than actually knowing several different types of combat Im the warrior of light I wear what I want is the logic right ha.

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Did Gandalf spend the time to learn how to box? I'm sure he'd know how to box if he learned how to box.

And glamouring isn't wearing clothes/armors- It's the illusion of it, so if you aquired WHM and DRK armor, why not? If you wanna look silly, you do you.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

The gear is not restricted to you. If you want to wear it, you have to level the respective job to the appropriate level to do so. That is the restriction, and we don't hear a bunch people saying, "Hey! I'm a warrior. What's with this level restriction? I should be able to wear everything available for a warrior." You are essentially saying the same thing with wanting to remove role restrictions on gear.

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Even when I do level the respective job (which I have!), I still can't glamour it how I want. But no, wanting level restrictions gone is NOT the same thing. I want to be able to use the gear that I earned. Not nearly the same thing as someone coming in at level 1 and wanting to use level 50 armor as their glamour. (Though to be honest, I have played both Rift and WildStar where there are no level restrictions, and it is quite fun making 12+ outfits for my new character that look awesome.)

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Originally Posted by Miste

Still need to draw a line somewhere though and the line makes most sense at the job specific gear. It was made for those jobs and it should stay for those jobs.

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You don't, actually. Other MMO wardrobe systems have shown that when there are no lines, people are quite happy to let their creativity go wild and create outfits unique to their character. I will never see how folk can think that limiting options leads to diversity - it just makes groups of people look the same.