CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

It shouldn't be hard to see why someone could see one way or the other if one were to actually look closely at both sides of the argument.

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This is totally true. You really could build a good argument for either.

What I really would like to see though is a complete change of the classes because it is going to be very confusing for new players. We will see what SE has in store. I doubt they are just going to paste on the jobs without a good explanation as to why they can unlock what they can unlock.

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Originally Posted by Exni

BS, there is practically NO lore to support THM being BLM. The lore clearly defined CNJ as a BLM, and THM lore fit WHM MUCH more (life/death).. as a matter of fact CNJ lore has nothing at all to do with a WHM. Clearly you have no idea what your talking about. Just because the FFXIV DEV's decided they wanted to go against YEARS of lore and throw mismatching abilities on a game they are trying to salvage... doesn't make it 'right'.

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Not to mention, I love the way a guy here with a level 12 con and 0 lvl THM claims to know jack about lore........crawl back under your bridge troll.

Protip: Black Mage DOES NOT mean elementalist.

Once you get rid of that mindset, the relationships are easy to see. If you play through the CONJ and THM story quests, you'll see that the conj are essentially elemental worshiping priests, while the thm are more.... hitman-esque.

After 1.18 you should have known which job each was getting.

If you didn't realize, then that's either ignorance or reading to heavily into "lore". Despite what the lore says, the developers have the final say.

It was clear the direction they were taking these classes after the buff / nerfs. At least in my opinion. I'm not a lore nut and I'm just going based on playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Protip: Black Mage DOES NOT mean elementalist.

Once you get rid of that mindset, the relationships are easy to see. If you play through the CONJ and THM story quests, you'll see that the conj are essentially elemental worshiping priests, while the thm are more.... hitman-esque.

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No, but it does mean nuker and, in FF games, nukes are elemental.

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Originally Posted by RemVye

After 1.18 you should have known which job each was getting.

If you didn't realize, then that's either ignorance or reading to heavily into "lore". Despite what the lore says, the developers have the final say.

It was clear the direction they were taking these classes after the buff / nerfs. At least in my opinion. I'm not a lore nut and I'm just going based on playing the game.

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We know this, at least I do and anyone that looks at my post history will see I was arguing with people on these forums then that THM was gonna be BLM. I beat my head against the wall arguing that. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with it or like it.

It's their game, their call. I've said that from the beginning.

Told you so.

Nukes are elemental?

Scourge = water/stone/ice

Banich = fire/wind/lightening

whats more elemetal then having 3 elements in 1?

What gets me though is that you want to sit here and say 1 set of elemental spells is more BLM then all the WHM buffs and C-U-R-E - I - II - II.....C-U-R-A-G-A - I - II are to WHM......

Again, I say, you twist it and only notice what fits the view you desire to portray.

Who cares. Con is whyt magi and Thumb is block maji. No reason to debate.

/caseclosed

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Nukes are elemental?

Scourge = water/stone/ice

Banich = fire/wind/lightening

whats more elemetal then having 3 elements in 1?

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Having all elements separate?

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THM 22! I'm rolling through these levels. (- -);

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Nukes are elemental?

Scourge = water/stone/ice

Banich = fire/wind/lightening

whats more elemetal then having 3 elements in 1?

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This is like saying what is more colorful than black?

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Originally Posted by Coglin

What gets me though is that you want to sit here and say 1 set of elemental spells is more BLM then all the WHM buffs and C-U-R-E - I - II - II.....C-U-R-A-G-A - I - II are to WHM......

Again, I say, you twist it and only notice what fits the view you desire to portray.

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You're doing exactly what you say I am.

Even if we don't count higher tiers, currently CNJ has: Fire, Water, Aero, Stone, Thunder, Ice, Burn, Choke, Rasp, Drown, Frost, Shock, Flare, Freeze, Tornado, Quake, Burst, Flood, Shock Spikes, and Sleep.

The white mage spells: Cure, Curaga, Protect, Shell, Stoneskin, Paralyna, Silena, Poisona.

That's 8 WHM spells compared to 20 BLM spells. I'm not twisting anything, the facts are right there.