Very much this. While there are situations in which it makes more sense to have a WHM temporarily DPS instead of a SCH, a WHM cannot put out sustained DPS like a SCH does without severe outside help. A SCH has virtually infinite MP while DPSing in Cleric Stance, whereas a WHM will MP-floor after just a few minutes, and that's assuming you do not use even a single heal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine
Astrologian impossible to balance as it is
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02-13-2016, 04:49 PM_slowpoke_
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02-13-2016, 10:02 PMNamoNanamo
My biggest problem with whm main dpsing is the accuracy. THeir dots can miss. (I spoke about a3s)
If you are main healer/dps, you can always switch to help your partner. So the whm can Medica II or switch role if he lacks mana. -
02-14-2016, 03:04 AMDyvid
Honestly all three healers have roughly the same dps output so it's a moot point in regards to just straight damage. As _slowpoke_ said, the only reason SCH shines is because they have better mana resources which give them longevity over AST and WHM. If it's a fight that doesn't last longer than five minutes, all are equal.
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02-14-2016, 05:21 AMVlady
I'm hoping Alex midas gives healers less time to dps.
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02-14-2016, 07:26 AMLegoTechnicI'm not sure I follow you here. Have you healed A3S or A4S? Do you actually know what you're asking for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlady
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02-14-2016, 11:27 AMGaldoushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iALJrcwI58sQuote:
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If the encounter can be solo healed then I believe that was the point being made. Feels like having two healers in the raid scenario is a waste of the healers strength if they are pushing the scholar to dps primarily. -
02-14-2016, 12:33 PM_slowpoke_Why do people still tout this bullshit argument? Just because some extremely highly skilled players are able to solo-heal a difficult fight doesn't mean that there's a fundamental problem with the fight or the meta. People have been doing this forever in MMORPGs, but only in this one have I ever seen people complain so much about it.Quote:
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02-14-2016, 12:37 PMLegoTechnicOK, please do not misunderstand. That is not a raid group working on progression, that is a geared group working on farm. That is not something you do for first, second, third, or even fourth clears unless you are jumping into the instance near the end of its life cycle with the benefit of things like Mhachi Farthings or a raid full of geared vets. If you are in A3S prior to November then this is a thought you only barely considered, as even Elysium's WHM solo heal didn't occur until the final week of October (Gordias arrived at the end of July). There is a very big difference in what a group can take with entry level gear versus one kitted out in mostly 210s, and this is what raids are tuned for. As time passes though, alternative methods for ilvl acquisition appear to aid people struggling in the raid tiers, and as players get stronger they are able to stretch the limits of the encounter (and raiders who are farming continually strengthen as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by Galdous
I also do not want to sell this next part short, but that AST you linked? He and his group are awesome. What they did is in no way easy, and not just from the ridiculous healer demand placed on the AST but the entire group effort. The only reason solo healing A3S works there is because the DPS are so on point that they can limit break the first liquid gaol (hand prison that grabs the healer) and then kill the boss completely before the 2nd liquid gaol spawns (it spawns literally at the very last second). Without the LB to free that solo healer the 2nd time the raid is likely a wipe if it doesn't die before then, and that is a VERY HIGH DPS requirement, to say nothing of making digititus swaps a little more confusing without a 2nd healer.
So if your argument is that you want raids to require more healing after everyone has accumulated a lot of gear and not when they are initially implemented, then please carry on. If that's not your point, then I suggest you reconsider, if not for your own sanity then for the rest of us, and I say this as a raider who cleared A4S the first time back in October. And also, if you happen to have any videos of a solo A4S, I'd like to see it so that I might worship the hallowed ground they walk on, but that's just a little side jest because obviously there aren't any. -
02-14-2016, 01:51 PMGaldous
I am not arguing for either. I was only giving my two bits to the topic at hand. And I have not done As3/4 because of my job and work schedule but when I did raid back in July and our group was on as1-as2 we was having the scholar dps about 80% of the time back then as well despite not being in pure farm mode or fully decked out in gear. *shrug* You spoke about healing for As3 and I found a video that showed it being 1 person healed. My apologies if you only want middle of the pack average raiders to be accepted examples and not proof it can be done despite it is still considered the high end raid of FF 14 at the moment.
Do not be upset because people tout the argument since it is valid.. Please use a bit of grace in your retort.Quote:
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02-14-2016, 01:58 PMLegoTechnicI think you're vastly underestimating what was going on in that video, but your point is pretty valid for A1S and A2S. SCH is pretty much playing an off-healer role there, only healing for intense moments (double prey, doll and big gobtank phases, etc), but then you're still there because you're needed for the heals in those moments, even if you aren't healing the entire time. You're the WAR of healing, so flex those book muscles.Quote:
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