Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

Clearly you guys fell into OP's bait. This here is a troll thread.

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Originally Posted by Crysten

Actually no, evidence was presented to dispute the OP's claims that they were a good DPS, when in actuality, that doesn't look to be true, making this thread a hypocritical mess.

But hey, we all know you're absolutely chomping at the bit to start on the anti-parser rants again.

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Actually no, take that chip off your shoulder before it crushes you. Your final statement shows that you *don't* in fact read my posts regarding parses, however my views on that topic are neither here nor there. I was hoping that the poster I replied to might take that link out because it seemed that posting it could fall under naming/shaming and using information from a third party tool to harass another player.

But hey, you try to do something nice, you try to warn someone that their post could be used against them, and instead someone jumps down your throat about something not even discussed in this topic - and does so erroneously at that. Great. Thanks, for nothing.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

So you get into this pattern of pushing buttons with the outlined square thinking that's what the game wants you to do to maximize your DPS, and you end up doing WORSE as a result.

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I was trying to explain to an old fc mate how to get better at drg, and they didn't realize that you could even use off-GCDs in between attacks, as they thought it broke their combo chain. Now if you play long enough you realize that's not the case, but to your point it doesn't show you stuff like that. I think the *problem* most people have is, like others have said, there's nothing to really push your abilities as a player while leveling up. I mean, a single tank and healer can complete every low level dungeon, you don't even need a dps. It will take a long time, sure, but it can still be done, that's how little effort is actually required of a dps while leveling.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Here's a fine example. I play a Dragoon and I love it. But nowhere in the skills/actions/job traits does it teach you anything about double-weaving your global cooldown skills with your oGCD skills in order to really push your DPS. It teaches you nothing about rotation nor cross class skills that would help. So you get into this pattern of pushing buttons with the outlined square thinking that's what the game wants you to do to maximize your DPS, and you end up doing WORSE as a result.

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But missing something like double oGCD weave doesn't lead to a DPS defeceit of 400+, or +10 minutes to a dungeon run.

There's no realization that there's a line between people who can dps adequately, people who sandbag, and people who go beyond adequate.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Erm. Your WAR parses are below some of my PLD parses. I MT and only leave Shield Oath when nothing is hitting me (Zephirin's first appearance and meteor phase). Even given that you're full VIT (I wear pentamelds because I find that full Slaying leaves me with uncomfortably low HP and puts stress on the healers), with the tools WAR has to maximize damage you should be higher.

The fact of the matter is, you made some very elitist statements pertaining to other DPS players in your original post. You claimed that you can just pick up a DPS class and maximize its potential, and further stated that it's easy to do so. I mean... seriously? I feel that I'm pretty decent as a monk, but I won't come running to the official forums basically claiming to be the Queen of Monks and that I can poop out maximum DPS on it. I think you're confusing "I know my rotation and am passably competent on the class," with "I know how to fully maximize DPS." Anyone that reads tooltips and takes the time to figure out how the skills fit together on the most basic level can be passably competent at a class. Maximizing DPS takes time, practice, and gear.

Some logs have been posted that provided some evidence to refute your claim, but instead of countering with evidence of your own (maybe there's more logs that you can upload where you're performing better?) you're making excuses why the logs that were posted shouldn't be admissible, as it were. I don't see how "I died," "I'm not very well geared," or "I was being carried" are valid excuses for bad DPS when you're making a claim like that though. Not getting yourself killed is part of maximizing DPS. Gearing properly is part of maximizing DPS. It should go without saying that if you're maximizing your DPS, you are pulling your own weight.

I have to agree with the poster a couple of pages ago that mentioned glass houses and stones.

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Him posting my log numbers is name shaming and is very rude and is against the rules of the board, those numbers don't show anything but numbers, they don't show skills used, cooldowns used and on on, just numbers at the end of the fight when I main tanked, not the overall.

I may seem elitist with my comment "picking up something and bringing out the max dps" of that class if I pick it up. Yes, I am wrong on that, it takes *time* to learn the dps class but at least i'm putting *effort* on doing just *that*, what I had doing those misuse logs was due to deaths, rez sickness or due to gear, reasons why any dps can be low in the dps logs at the end of the fight which should not have hold water with a argument towards me. But what I am not doing is refusing to not use skills cause I'm lazy on not using it in general, example, a monk only boostrap/twin snakes/ demolish combo string spam repeatedly while not moving a single spot, no death touch, no snap punch, no dragon kick. Or a mage just using a macro to do his spells to spam 1 fire/ice 1 or fire 3/blizzard 3 back to back, or a brd just spamming heavy shot and straight shot and bloodletter etc etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Some logs have been posted that provided some evidence to refute your claim, but instead of countering with evidence of your own (maybe there's more logs that you can upload where you're performing better?)

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Posting dps logs is against the ToS of these forums and I do not have a dps meter and I refuse to install it cause people like him using it as a weapon for people who wish to speak out about people wanting to be lazy while dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

you're making excuses why the logs that were posted shouldn't be admissible, as it were. I don't see how "I died," "I'm not very well geared," or "I was being carried" are valid excuses for bad DPS when you're making a claim like that though. Not getting yourself killed is part of maximizing DPS. Gearing properly is part of maximizing DPS. It should go without saying that if you're maximizing your DPS, you are pulling your own weight.

I have to agree with the poster a couple of pages ago that mentioned glass houses and stones.

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When a dps is undergeared for thordin and dies doing dive bomb cause he got no heals or not enough heals, its his fault for not maximizing dps? what? By your statement if a dps dies to unavoidable aoe damage its his fault wither hes geared or not, but still, my statement stays even if you guys can say what you want and bash on my undergeared dps or my MT dps(which I cleared on), it doesn't change the fact there are *lazy* dps that is *ARE* properly geared, not die and but will not care on properly on using their dps skills, haven't learn it or refuse to learn. They just push buttons so lights glow.

So go ahead, keep bringing up those logs and keep commenting on my low undergeared dps and low main tanking dps but all in all, you aren't saying *anything* towards the topic at hand on people who don't wish to learn to try to do their best at their dps class.

That hole...


It's deep.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

So go ahead, keep bringing up those logs and keep commenting on my low undergeared dps and low main tanking dps but all in all, you aren't saying *anything* towards the topic at hand on people who don't wish to learn to try to do their best at their dps class.

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But.... everything that has been said so far -HAS- been towards the topic of people who don't wish to learn to try their best and do better DPS...

It's just that the people being referenced in this case happen to be you.

Funny that.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

When a dps is undergeared for thordin and dies doing dive bomb cause he got no heals or not enough heals, its his fault for not maximizing dps? what? By your statement if a dps dies to unavoidable aoe damage its his fault wither hes geared or not, but still, my statement stays even if you guys can say what you want and bash on my undergeared dps or my MT dps(which I cleared on), it doesn't change the fact there are *lazy* dps that is *ARE* properly geared, not die and but will not care on properly on using their dps skills, haven't learn it or refuse to learn. They just push buttons so lights glow.

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Quit throwing things out of context. There's no reason for you to be dying to avoidable damage if you care about not being a waste of a party slot. The person you're replying to isn't even talking about deaths in general (which at times can be out of your control), but deaths that you yourself caused (Not getting yourself killed). On top of that, being undergeared is a liability to your survival anyway, and on top of that Thordan has a Ilvl requirement so unless you're boosting your Ilvl with accessories (which is a different problem), you can't be undergeared.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

those numbers don't show anything but numbers, they don't show skills used, cooldowns used and on on, just numbers at the end of the fight when I main tanked, not the overall.

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Actually, they do show all the skills you used and when you used them. How much damage you take and from what abilities and when. TP and MP efficiency, interrupts, etc etc. A bunch of stuff, really.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

Posting dps logs is against the ToS of these forums and I do not have a dps meter and I refuse to install it cause people like him using it as a weapon for people who wish to speak out about people wanting to be lazy while dpsing.

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it *would* be *a* crime *for* someone *to* want to *use* some *sort* of *dps* meter as a *weapon* against someone, wouldn't *it*?

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

I can't wait for them to add faust-sensei so I can see their dps just to boot them on bad dps/damage before doing any content.

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I strongly *advise* you to *consider* going from *a* glass *house* to *plastic*


...how is "getting carried" not "being lazy while DPSing"?