In your opinion, should the game be free? Or cost less per month?

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

They need a tiered subscription model.
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Are the prices you have listed for Legacy, Entry or Standard account?

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

I think it was actually from the GCD last year they showed a panel that stated "If it's not fun you're doing it wrong" and I think a post on this site has the link to it.

I'm comparing the 2.x content release to the current state of the game. I understand that the crew needs time off which is 100% honest as any of us do. But for the game to have been in the lackluster state it was in so quickly after a " Major" expansion and having it still being lackluster is alarming. 2.x delivered content at a bit faster rate then I myself even liked simply because the gear progression but the story was nicely paced out. Here we are now with a main story I don't recall anything about but warrior of darkness standing on the moon and then later his team shows up and battles us and a gear limit that 99% of the community should have caught up to by now in this 7 month expansion.


The game has gotten stale and players want newer ways to accomplish objectives and newer things to sink there teeth in. And that's not our fault, we can't be blaming each other for how quickly we each complete our personally determined goals in this game. The only people who can fix this is the people we provide a monthly fee + cash shop profits to. And when so many players are up in arms not about a dungeon, a raid or a grind. But the integrity of the games direction and it's current well being of not providing any ingenuity. Then it's time for us to ask these questions about where is the money going and where are we heading as a whole.

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Thats not the question you asked. You asked should this game be free or be less a month. Thats a very different question. Really, I'm not sure there is any way to definitively answer were our money is getting spent since we have very little insight into the inner financial structure SE operates off and how much of FF14's revenue is redirected back into the game. Anything we discuss here is simply going to be baseless assumptions.

More over, I point back to one of my earlier posts where I asked a question. What are you comparing FF14 to in the release level of its content. Itself? Another game? If we look at it against its major competitors, particularly WoW, it holds up pretty well even with the break. Add to that they have outright stated that the 5 month break will not be the norm and they will be back to 3 month releases in 3.2.

As for the story, if that is all you remember from the story you haven't been paying much attention. You seem to have forgotten the Dragonsong War, the Garleans, the Warring Triad, the missing Scions, what is going on with Urianger, and the political upheaval in Ishgard. The story might have been shorter in 3.1 (a trend I hope doesn't continue) but its quality was up from 2.1. I mean, did you really find Moggle Mog and moving to Revenant's Toll to be that engaging a story?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think FF14 is without problems. Far from it. I just don't think it helps to leap to conclusions or make the assumption they are lying to us. The game is clearly lagging for many people and I have my own theories on why but until I'm not going to jump to conclusions. Further, $14 dollars a month is still great value for this game.

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Originally Posted by Reilyn

JP-PSO2 is actually decent as a F2P. Too bad it's not released in the west, and you'd need a proxy to play it with most ISPs these days. F2p can be done well, and has been done well as long as it isn't predatory or pay to win.

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PSO2 is actually the ONLY F2P game i can stand playing, i'v givin up all hopes they will ever western release it (mosty due to how the AC scratch works) and dragons dogma online is another one i'v been dying to try, But is also "JP only"

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

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So basically you want to pay more for the game to make it worse? I don't understand the logic behind your request for pay 2 win, pay 2 gear, pay for glamour etc...
Best thing to do if someone doesn't like the game is to unsub.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

We've been in this stagnat expansion for almost 7 months and we've had less content, more nurfs, nurfs to things before they come out, lazy designed content, no class adjustments, more items added to cash shop and now recycled atma 3.0.

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This is your opinion and opinions are subjective at best.

Alas, this is NOT how I feel. I feel patience is a virtue. I am having fun. 3.15 brought a lot of people back and now people are working together and making friends.

In my opinion, 3.15 is the best thing that could have happened. Hell, Heavensward zones are PACKED.

This game earns it's 12.99$ from me. Big time.

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Originally Posted by mandodo69

This is your opinion and opinions are subjective at best.

Alas, this is NOT how I feel. I feel patience is a virtue. I am having fun. 3.15 brought a lot of people back and now people are working together and making friends.

In my opinion, 3.15 is the best thing that could have happened. Hell, Heavensward zones are PACKED.

This game earns it's 12.99$ from me. Big time.

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I agree with you. The HW zones are full of people fate grinding. I have made some new friends in the fate parties and am having a blast with it. I also was able to level my WHM to 60 doing the fates instead of the dungeon grind.

Take a look at this rather compelling argument against the subscription model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsQNoZxfS_o ( i appreciate that he thinks WoW and FFXIV are actually good models of sub games but it's still good argument)

Personally do i think that every 3 months i'm getting £25 worth of content? No. At least not anymore. I'm paying what £96 a year for the sub + base game and any expansions? Thats the equivalent of about 2 - 2 1/2 Witcher 3's. One Witcher 3 has more enjoyment than all of the hours put into FFXIV for me.

Now i can already feel the rage of some of you coming, and your right, it's not really a fair comparison, and to be honest i'm probably biased because i'm also likely the only person in the world that thinks the FFXIV STORY is garbage, but then again i'm not really a JRPG story fan so maybe i'm getting less value for my money than some of you.

Personally 13$ is very good especially considering other subscription prices are usually 15$.

The game should not go F2P and honestly the price is just fine.

Personally no, I wouldn't want the game to become free to play. What I would like though, is a return to what happened in 2012 whereby having both an FFXI and FFXIV subscription gave a reduction for the former. Shame it was only for a few months, I'd love a combined subscription for both games.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Are the prices you have listed for Legacy, Entry or Standard account?

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example lol