Parsers make you stupid

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I'm pretty sure your WHM's battle log could have revealed that information as well, no parser required.

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And take 10 minutes trying to search for it?

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Your WHM couldn't tell they were hit by megaflare without a parser?

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Sorry if we didn't know the exact radius of the random first hit splash without any markers on the first day there. She got hit by one of those while running to stack.

Anyways, it was just to remind that parsing can be more than just DPS numbers. Your sarcastic points don't change that.

I would like to have a DPS monitoring tool built into the game that only provides information to a player about themselves. We do not need to see what other players are doing, damage-wise (what's the point.. calling them out on it only gets you reported) and would fix a lot of behavioral problems brought on by parsing.

I think it's important that the game provide players with data they need to be aware of in order to see if changes to their fighting style is improving or worsening their damage output. At a bare minimum the fighting-dummies set up around the game should be providing this information to any player attacking them. If people want to share their personal DPS data with others, that's their call, but the game itself should not advertise anyone's DPS to anyone but the owner of that damage.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

Battle log doesn't show DoT's and their ticks over time, and whether or not it was a critical tick. So no, this doesn't work.

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It's also a lot more cluttered and doesn't really show your DPS unless you time the fight, add up all the damage that's been done, and divide it.

So if you're trying to improve your DPS that's a lot of extra work to get something less accurate, and if you're running a static and trying to figure out who needs help with rotations, etc. to eke out that extra 100 dps or whatever you have to sit there doing math homework for twenty minutes reading your log, transcribing everyone's damage, and then doing the actual math.

It's just not a real solution. You might as well tell people to just keep track of the damage numbers popping off the mob's head. The only place it'd be useful is noticing if someone is just sitting there doing nothing or using a rotation that's incredibly incredibly wrong such that a quick glance over what they were doing in battle log tells you that--though in that case you can probably tell just by having any raid awareness at all.

Parse should be used as a learning tool to gage your own DPS to attempt to make improvements on your self if you wish, they should never be used to conddem another player,se need s to step in on this and start banning people for the used of 3rd party software, they didn't put up with it in FFXI online and it should not be tolerated here.

Parsers are great in the hands of intelligent people that want to use them as a tool for self-improvement or for the purpose of figuring out a problem with their static. Like any tool, it takes on a completely different use when you drop it into the hands of a complete idiot. Parsers don't make people stupid. Some people are just born that way.

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Originally Posted by Melondra

Parse should be used as a learning tool to gage your own DPS to attempt to make improvements on your self if you wish, they should never be used to conddem another player,se need s to step in on this and start banning people for the used of 3rd party software, they didn't put up with it in FFXI online and it should not be tolerated here.

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It's how the parser interacts with the log files. From what I hear, SE has no way of knowing if they are being used, because they are not interacting with the log files in such a way to be detectable from the server end. So in short, they can never stop it. Furthermore, they themselves have posted server first clears with high end raiding FC's which clearly show the usage of parsers. SE understands their use as a tool and have commented they wanted to officially sanction 3rd party add-ons starting with Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

the best DPS are able to put out good numbers WHILE handling mechanics.

Food for thought.

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Pretty much this. Remember, a MNK's greatest strength is keeping up GL3 and wailing on things.

Some advice. Let the tank know you'll grab a jagd doll thats by the right leg when it spawns. That way its easy to dps it down while getting beneficial dps using elixir field and howling fist on both the leg and the doll. Other benefit is you can grab and orange tether that spawns. I call it the MNK corner lol.

Also save shoulder tackle for an add far away if raid dps is slow and they need help burning it.. I main MNK and can easily pull 950-1050 in A4 easily without trying. Just be vocal, learn how to use form shift and know your class. I repeat, KNOW YOUR CLASS.

**PS: Don't be so overzealous with the orb grabbing. Grab one closest, (call outs are nice) and continue to do your thing. Work hard. Good luck!

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Ah there it is. The grow up, grow some thick skin excuse. Excuse to be rude, excuse to give advice where it is not wanted. Excuse to believe that a number makes you special. This is a game. There is not a life lesson to be learned here that's just silly. I pay my subscription. I log on, play and log off. Some of this feedback has been great and I have learned a lot, without being parsed. If someone is truly interested in helping then the last thing they are going to do is be a jerk. I was at no time offered any actual advice on improving. No one was telling me I could be better. I was just being told I did not meet the expectations of their parser. It went far beyond criticism and into the harassment category. I do however understand your viewpoint very well, every bully on the internet says the same thing.

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Originally Posted by ivyblue

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I don't understand. Since you pay, you can play the game your way. But it's not ok for others to play there way. Getting kicked from a group because you are wasting other peopled time is harassment? And BTW people aren't going to look to help you. Try asking for help. And if you want to play with those groups, put in the work to get on that level of play. And the I pay and play the way I want, and I don't care if I waste your time is rude.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

I would like to have a DPS monitoring tool built into the game that only provides information to a player about themselves. We do not need to see what other players are doing, damage-wise (what's the point.. calling them out on it only gets you reported) and would fix a lot of behavioral problems brought on by parsing.

I think it's important that the game provide players with data they need to be aware of in order to see if changes to their fighting style is improving or worsening their damage output. At a bare minimum the fighting-dummies set up around the game should be providing this information to any player attacking them. If people want to share their personal DPS data with others, that's their call, but the game itself should not advertise anyone's DPS to anyone but the owner of that damage.

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You have a fight in which all the DPSes should be doing at least 1k dps in order to kill the boss. One of them is doing 800dps. Nobody can see each other's result, then they start comparing numbers, the person with low DPS most likely will not admit it (let's be realistic here!). Maybe the player with low DPS is having just a silly problem with his rotation that someone else in the group could help him with, but he don't feel like he should be scrutinized by his peers due his low dmg, therefore he silence. But he has no idea how to improve, if he knew he wouldn't be doing such low dmg to begin with and since nobody else has access to the group's real number the group as a whole will fail, they won't kill the boss, will disband. Now, who's benefiting from personal parsers whose results only the the owner can see?