The random rule is not okay

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Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad

Grind harder weaklings!

Yes, you cannot curbstomp 2 npcs on day one of playing cards.

Get over yourselves and come back to these guys when you have 60 cards. Landenel only needs to be beaten once to count towards your Squall card (you can also opt to skip him entirely) and both cards he drops are obtainable through other means. Rowena does have an exclusive card, but is still farmable with even a 2-star deck.

Are the rules broken? Yes, to create a measure of difficulty and give you incentive to work towards 60 cards. Neither of these NPCs hold you back from either the Squall card achievement nor the 60 card unlock on your 3-star cards.

Shut up and play cards.

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That is incorrect. You will find it nigh impossible to hit 60 cards without beating the 2 NPCs in question. 1 Has a unique card, and the other cards are rather difficult to obtain from their other sourcse. (mostly due to RNG)

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Originally Posted by Milleus

I'm sorry.. but if you're finding it impossible to beat a Random NPC, then you're doing it wrong.
Especially when you have 63 cards and unlocked 3 star unlimited.

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Since you don't seem to understand how the rules of the game work,
here is a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkuzTXPvAPs
Tell us if there is anything you don't understand yet about the game after watching that, and we will be happy to help you learn to understand TT. :)

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Originally Posted by Kharhaz

I know I can't convince people to do something they don't want to do, but at the same time embracing this kind of challenge instead of dreading it can really help people become better players, learning to use cards they normally don't and picking up on NPC tendencies. That's why I hate to see people get frustrated and ask for something to be toned down.

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I can understand that. In my case I could defeat both NPCs earlier on, get their cards without too much of a problem. (in case of Rowenda due to a lucky drop) But regardless I would have continued playing untill I won anyway.
For anyone that doesnt spend an enormous amount of time on the game like myself or a number of others; it's understandable they would become incredibly frustrated with the rule.
It's pretty much for them that I was trying to make my point.

The only thing that personally annoys me about TT is that the Nanamo card isnt a drop, but bought for a ridiculous amount of MGP. :P

I think that those proposing strategies and/or snide comments haven't quite read and understood what the main issue is. =)

The issue isn't that you're given bad cards half the time or more. That's a given to happen with a Random rule.

The issue is that the NPC is never given bad cards.

(At least the way I've understood it... I might be mistaken, of course, in which case I apologize.)

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Originally Posted by Runewraith

In my experience and everyone in my fc/linkshells experience this is blatantly false. The random deck you're given will never break the rarity limit you currently have. If you're claiming otherwise I'd like to see some evidence.


edit; looks like the guy I replied to deleted his post.

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I didn't delete my post :confused:

But I think I did word what I was trying to convey poorly. You're right that you absolutely won't be able to break the cap of having a better hand than you are allowed to have. I.E. If you have 30 unique cards tier than a Random opponent will never allow you to have a full deck of 3*. What I meant was inversely, which is what I believe the person I responded to perceived. Random will not always give you a deck at it's fullest potential. Just because I have 60 unique cards, doesn't mean that Random deck will give me a 5* and 4 3* cards every time.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Firepower

There is currently 80 cards in the game

20 1*
17 2*
13 3*
10 4*
20 5*

Lets assume you have every card for maximum chance of winning a random battle, you have a 0.375 chance of drawing a 4 or 5 star card per card so a fair assumption should be made that 0.375 x 5 > 1 therefore you should get one. After getting that one card be it 4 (33%) or 5 (66%) star you will then be only allowed 3 or below cards to be randomed in.

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Five of the 5* cards are completely unobtainable (three are not in game yet at all, one is only obtainable by being in the top 3 of the current tournament when it ends, and one is not obtainable until at least the next tournament since it requires 30 tournament wins and you can't have more than 15 yet), so you should use 15 as the number, not 20. That means you actually have a 40% chance of a 4* and a 60% chance of a 5*.

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Originally Posted by Madigari

All you'd have to do to rebalance it is add more cards for Random to choose from within the NPC's card list.

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or like you said in early post, add in reginal rules for random NPC too.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Random will not always give you a deck at it's fullest potential.

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Actually to clarify, Random will NEVER give you a deck at its fullest potential.... because its not truly Random. Not for you, not for the NPC.

This makes it... NOT FUN.

The fact that the NPC always has the same cards and doesn't have to play by the Random rule also makes it not fun.

Just a stupid rule in general.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Actually to clarify, Random will NEVER give you a deck at its fullest potential.... because its not truly Random. Not for you, not for the NPC.

This makes it... NOT FUN.

The fact that the NPC always has the same cards and doesn't have to play by the Random rule also makes it not fun.

Just a stupid rule in general.

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It can give you a deck at your fullest potential. Rarely, but it can happen. 2 or 3 of the NPCs cards are fixed, and aside from that the NPCs total deck is only 7 orso cards, nearly all of which are strong.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Thanks for the feedback. We've been sharing it all with the development team.

Not very much time has passed since Triple Triad made it's glorious release, and it’s quite possible that the random rule feels a bit more difficult due to the fact that players do not have enough cards just yet.

If you feel it is posing a challenge, we ask that you venture throughout Eorzea to collect more cards and then try to challenge these opponents again! You’ll most likely feel a difference once you have more cards and are able to use higher tiers of rare cards in your deck.

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How would more cards help when there is nothing to prevent the hand dealt to be all 1 star cards versus a NPC which does not have a requirement to have as many cards?

We, aka the playbase, aka the paying customers would feel better if everything in this game did not resort to rng...

I don't like the random rule myself but obviousely some do. I don't think the rule is broken. It is unfair but some people like it, so I say if you don't like it, don't play it. Only a few npcs have it and from the thread I see that most people don't like the rule can still beat the npcs with sufficient cards, so why ask the dev team to change it? It is your choice. I choose not to play it if I don't like it. I rather not ask the team to change the rule, which some other players do like.

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Originally Posted by Madigari

You quoted the text, but you failed to read it. To reiterate, "when they give me all one star cards. That isn't 'more challenging, that's 'impossible'." Of course I can beat an opponent with the Random rule after I've unlocked 60 cards. I could beat an opponent with the Random rule after I'd unlocked 30 cards. I had Squall Leonhart before I ever had 60 cards. That isn't the point even a little, which you would know if you'd read the post.

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Oh sorry it was my mistake for not noticing the worst case scenario of 1 star cards, then it becomes impossible to win.
They could probably fix this.

But aside from that..
in "normal" random scenarios, I still like that the Random rule makes it challenging.

Yes.. I know about the rules and and how we have a bigger card pool compared to the NPCs.. but that's part of the challenge, isn't it?