Kicked from raid team due to colorblind

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Once again it is a fallacy to just assume the OP is the correct one here by default. ...
Removing a toxic element is the exact opposite of non-sensical. ..

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I did NOT assume the OP is correct one. I am no taking side here. But it sure seems you know who the toxic element is. Truth be told, as in real life, the toxic element often is those in the position of power, or those making the wrong decisions. The so called raid leadership can often be the toxic element, but they will never remove themselves, but instead they will blame it on everyone else. I've even seen them jump servers becaue the rest of us are too scrubby for them and static falls apart because now we are only 4 or 5 of 8 and left to pick up the pieces. And by accomodating, all I am asking for people to be more inclusive and play nice with each other so you can play together. After all this is an MMO. The only thing I know so far is that there is nothing really static about a static unless you consider all the noise static.

Nothing but more assumptions from you. You always argue from the point of view that the group or majority was the cause of the problem. That's always your point of view. I've never once even seen you take up the point of view where the minority could have been the problem. Not even as a thought experiment. That is your fallacy.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

The only thing I know so far is that there is nothing really static about a static unless you consider all the noise static.

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This proves how little you understand. Maybe you should stop trying to argue about something you clearly don't understand. It's painfully obvious you've never raided and you clearly just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

...This proves how little you understand. Maybe you should stop trying to argue about something you clearly don't understand. It's painfully obvious you've never raided and you clearly just don't get it.

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That is an assumption you made and clearly false. If someone so much as done CT once it would count as raiding, but lets not play word games here. In any case I am working on T11 with yet another static group. We've yet to get past the sphere, cube, and egg phase. But in the past 6 months, I've seen the groups fall apart over and over. I've seen the so called leadership jump server, and I've seen people pissed at the leadership leave or jump server. I've seen top raiding FC lose their core for their top static group that used to act all high and mighty around everyone else. It seems it is just not easy to keep a group together.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Nothing but more assumptions from you. You always argue from the point of view that the group or majority was the cause of the problem. That's always your point of view. I've never once even seen you take up the point of view where the minority could have been the problem. Not even as a thought experiment. That is your fallacy.

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Technically not true cause he's always blaming the coil players that isn't him and the coil players are a minority compared to the non coil players lol.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Once again it is a fallacy to just assume the OP is the correct one here by default.

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Isn't it also a fallacy to assume that someone gets removed from a raid solely because they are "toxic"? There are a number of interpersonal reasons raids have conflicts and it's seldom so cut and dry that attitude alone is the reason a player is removed.

In 4+ years of raiding, "my raid group cares more about loot than me!" and "the player we removed was <insert unlikable personality trait here>" are the top two excuses I see everyone jump to when an interpersonal conflict occurs. Most players won't admit or don't realize they have a personality problem, even if it's the truth, and 90% of raid groups will chalk a player being removed up to "poor attitude" regardless of what their actual internal process is. A removed player being accused of an "argumentative attitude" says as much to me about the raid leadership's view of others as it does the actual player.

Like, okay, a player is "argumentative". This statement could technically be accurate in any number of situations:

-The player is, genuinely, an ass, who makes big problems out of small issues.
-The player starts non-constructive fights whenever criticized.
-The raid leader(s) are stubborn, unresponsive, and even noncommunicative when presented with new ideas.
-The raid leader(s) start non-constructive fights when criticized, and pin such criticisms as being "overly argumentative".
-Someone, at some point, had an argument with someone else, and got kicked out of a raid for it.
-The playstyles between the player and the group just plain don't mesh, resulting in conflict on a regular basis (the NUMBER ONE problem with most midcore raid groups.)
-Other players regularly abuse the 'problem' player, which excaberates their 'bad' attitude or causes outbursts.

A lot of these interpersonal problems can and will be caused or excaberated by performance issues a player might have by having any number of otherwise-managable physical ailments.

I don't see jumping to the conclusion that either party's story is wholly accurate to their word as logical, yet people here are doing it one way or the other. Real-life raid dynamics are never as cut and dry as "x or y is a bad person because, blah blah."

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Originally Posted by Preinfalk

As someone who was in your raid group, your colorblindness was not the issue. The wipes to the tethers was due to the lack of practice because at the time we had only seen them three or four times. The largest reason from what i was able to get was the arguments that kept coming up between you and the raid leader and a few others. Being able to get along is a big part of a raid group. I'm not sure what went on between you all, but it wasn't your color blindness

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Page 5, OP confirmed they were in same raid group.

Colorblind wasn't an issue, can we stop the SJW stuff.

Guys, seriously . Y'all taking this and making it a mess.

So in case your interested I cracked some jokes my raid leader took as being serious. He got upset about it and I was kicked. We later chatted on mic, had make up sex and went on to farm t10 and died at t11 tethers again. But this time not my fault.

So yeah y'all need to stop assuming things about me, I'm not a bad person or player. Things were simply misunderstood .

This thread was better than daytime television.

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Originally Posted by Invision

Guys, seriously . Y'all taking this and making it a mess.

So in case your interested I cracked some jokes my raid leader took as being serious. He got upset about it and I was kicked. We later chatted on mic, had make up sex and went on to farm t10 and died at t11 tethers again. But this time not my fault.

So yeah y'all need to stop assuming things about me, I'm not a bad person or player. Things were simply misunderstood .

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IMO you are a bad person to me for using your "colorblindness" to make everyone sympathise with you (including me) and then just turning out to be a regular deuche. GJ.

I'm confused :x, I really don't know what to think about the whole thread and having an objective opinion about all main characters of the OP story seems close to impossible...
It's a subtle mix of soaps and dramas but iced with a lot of public shaming x.x
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I think a moderator should really lock this thread xD