Healer should not dps in the dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Malzian

My only gripe as a tank when a WHM is spamming Holy... is when they don't heal at all and tell me that I should constantly be popping CDs so they can just AoE all the time. If you can differentiate between when it's time to DPS and when it's time to heal, that's fine, but it's just as annoying to make me do all the work to keep myself alive just so a healer can kill the mobs.

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Your point on not healing at all stands but you should be using your cooldowns to reduce damage (and moving out of aoes if possible). If someone called you out on not doing it, good for them. If you are consciously reducing the efficiency of your run... well my sympathy to your DF group. It's not like using damage reduction or healing increase cooldowns lowers your threat or is difficult to do...

There's a common name for bards like that in MMO's - Huntard.

Healer dps can help clear the dungeons almost twice as fast. Anyone who rejects that opportunity should just simply uninstall the game. OP's story reminds me of a encounter I had with another silly premade in DF. It was a tank and two BLMs. I told the tank to do a large pull. He was really bad with keeping up threat, but I healed through it anyway. But then I noticed it was taking forever to clear the pull because the two BLMs were doing single target dps on a dozen enemies.... I was like what the heck, where's your aoe? Their response "bah bah don't tell us what to do". Riiiight, left the party afterwards. You don't negotiate with scrubs.

WHM holy is an aid to heals, dat AE stun cuts down incoming damage on the tank.

Wnen I run expert on my alt SCH, if I stood around doing nothing between heals, I get bored :P Adlo+eye 4 an eye on tank for big pulls, Clerics, fast cast shadowflare, pet on rouse to cover heals while I dot n bane, switch Clerics on an off to adlo tank and back to pewpew ruin spam XD

And TBH, wasnt just the BRD that was a turnip (albeit was most vocal one) someone else had to click yes to kick you out.

But never had anyone say a thing about me DPSing as well as healing in dungeons. Made he tank sweat a couple of times getting all dots up, but thats our job too! Makes em appreciate us more as healer when we pull em back from brink of death :P

You should a shot back, you should only play Ballads then!

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Honestly, they probably had a friend/FC mate waiting to take their place and were looking for an excuse to kick. Otherwise, I can't fathom why someone would be so stupid as to turn down extra DPS from the healer.

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Never underestimate stupidity ^_^

When I was Nexus light farming, running Mog HM in DF, 2nd phase killed, WHM, BLM, PLD, Archer then nuked boss down, one player went off saying it was the worst group ever! Because we didn't follow Mr Happys guide to the letter (lol) and cleared it with zero deaths very fast. Yet it still went on a tantrum XD t'was funny.

Or players selecting a language they dont understand for DF coil then getting all stroppy because no-one can tell em what to do in their language.

As I said, never underestimate stupidity with people. XD

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Originally Posted by Kazumac

Your point on not healing at all stands but you should be using your cooldowns to reduce damage (and moving out of aoes if possible). If someone called you out on not doing it, good for them. If you are consciously reducing the efficiency of your run... well my sympathy to your DF group. It's not like using damage reduction or healing increase cooldowns lowers your threat or is difficult to do...

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When tanking I'll pop Sentinel to round em up then when stun immunity kicks in, pop Hallowed to reduce pressure on the healer. Sometimes throw a cover on em in case they grab aggro.

Good thing of playing all 3 roles, tank, healer, DPS gives you empathy and good understanding of how to make things a lot smoother in the run. eg, good use of CDs, not spinning the mobs like a hyperactive kid on a spinning wheel when theres melee in the party.^_^

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Originally Posted by BadRNG

Don't stop dpsing.

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Hold onto that feeling!

Mog light! Beast Triiiiiiibe

It's funny hearing healers here say they get bitched at for not DPSing because I never seem to get those kinds of people. I DPS when and IF I can, otherwise I just stick to healing and no one seems to mind. Where are those people?


Just like how tanks can decide whether the run is a speed run or not, healers also can decide whether they should DPS or stick to healing. Dungeons are so easy that you're not going to lose out if three people are DPSing instead of all four. If a healer wants to DPS and can pull it off, let them. If they aren't good at the stance dance, let them stick to healing. No one should be pressured into doing something they don't want to do or aren't capable of doing. We already have many tanks complaining about how they get bitched at if they go too fast or too slow and some tanks have quit tanking because of it. Let's not have healers go the same route or we're all going to suffer even longer queues.

Speaking as a Healer from FFXI and FFXIV, I cast healing spells, buffs etc 99.9% of the time, because that's my damn job. White Mage is a healer first and foremost. In other FF titles, a WHM was there to keep the party alive through the battle. Now, while XI (Where if you as a WHM decided to DPS, you'd be kicked from the party/alliance faster than Pandemonium Warden swatting you to the ground) and XIV are MMO's, that doesn't mean that they should be out spamming DPS spells non stop. All that does is generate massive hate, which the Tank may or may not be able to pull the mob off of you (regardless of how 'good' the tank is).

Now, having said that... against trash mobs in a dungeon, casting the odd DPS spell on SUFFICIENTLY WEAKENED ENEMIES NEAR DEATH to finish them off and allow the others to move on to other targets, Hey... I've got no problem with that. DPS against a boss, that's just asking for trouble... Why? Because you end up using valuable MP which should be used to keep your party alive. But for those who think WHM is a DPS (which by the majority of the posts in this thread DO think that)... sorry, take off the rose tinted pince-nez and wake up. You are a HEALER. You're first and primary role is to HEAL AND KEEP THE PARTY ALIVE. Everything else is secondary.

Flame me if you want... but I will continue to play the same way that served me well in XI and other MMO's here as a Healer.

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Originally Posted by Arielyanna

But for those who think WHM is a DPS (which by the majority of the posts in this thread DO think that)... sorry, take off the rose tinted pince-nez and wake up. You are a HEALER. You're first and primary role is to HEAL AND KEEP THE PARTY ALIVE. Everything else is secondary.

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The posters don't think they're DPS. They're using their toolkit to supplement the DPS of their group during times of light on coming damage. There's a distinct difference between thinking "RWAR, I'M A DAMN DPS!" and "So, I have an opening to DPS at these junctures of the fight because my fairy/Regen can handle the damage for now"

That's what people are advocating (mostly, there are some idiots who do think "RWAR, I'M A DPS" healer, but everyone else knows they're silly people)