Why bother with ATMA now?

I think it's definitely a mess; you most likely got pretty lucky. I farm from 5pm to about 12 at night after work for the past three weeks going on fourth. Not a single drop. Personally I find the amount of time farming a completely unacceptable amount wasted for just one zone currently. Either I have the worst luck ever in drops, or something is seriously wrong with my quest.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Atma is frustrating sometimes, but not what people make it out to be, at least IMO.

I started doing Fates less than a week ago in between queueing for Frontlines, and yesterday finished the set for my summoner relic, which is the third relic I have gotten Atma sets for.

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Originally Posted by velric42

You can obtain better weapons now without the stupid ridiculous grind. Even Everquest from 1999 didn,t have a grind like this, plus I think its stupid that were grinding for ATMA items from low lvl FATES.

Why doesn't our epic weapons drop from epic bosses?????????????????????????.
Wouldn't that make sense? O no I need to farm lvl 4 fates,LOL LOL

15 years later and Everquest still has a better loot system than this crap.

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We must have been playing different versions of EQ. The EQ I played had me camping a rare random zone spawn for weeks just for a small part of my epic. Then when it spawned I had to make sure the others camping it did not kill it first.

I loved EQ, but I think the passage of time and nostalgia are clouding your view.

ATMA grinding would be fixed if they were random drops without needing Zenith equipped. At least you could level your other jobs running fates.

I'm on my books now, already bought my materia for the scroll, and looking forward to the glow. I don't think it's an argument of which is more hardcore, ScoB or relic grinding, but I do think it takes more dedication to upgrade the relic instead of running gated content hoping for your weekly drop. Which sounds better, RNG for actual weekly progression, or RNG for weekly progression? Yep, no difference I can see.

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Originally Posted by Yotsu

Why would i care about the Relic Questline i've killed T9 and didn't even started the Quest.

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You don't have to care. Some people care some people don't.

If you do not care about the Weapon's Lore
... or its appearance
... ... or the Bragging rights
... ... ... Or that it upgrades to ilvl 115 in its Nexus form.

Then don't bother with it.

And all those people saying their BiS is the T9 weapon, now see the Nexus that is on par if not better... a mindless grind will get you something better than a little skill does. Ohwell, I don't love my T9 weapon any less now that Nexus is out. <3

Because... 'dat glow :P

http://puu.sh/bMBEI/7f062b3a35.bmp

When mindless grind take over skills, think Nexus....

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Originally Posted by Skyl1n3

Because... 'dat glow :P

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Daaaaaaaaaamn. That is stylin'. I gotta get on my Atma grind now...

Atma is worth it when you get to Novus and I like it more than unweathered weapons. Working on my second Atma, at 10 of 12 in 3 days, 6 to 8 hours of fates only. Even got a few dupilcates while helping others in my FC. I use the Japanese time theory and I know Yoshi calls it wrong but I kept a log of my 1st atma and this 2nd one. I have rarely gotten drops on off hours in a zone, most drops happen in a zone that the hour goes to. My notes show for both atma grinds it is around 80% that you will havea better chance to get a drop in that zone in that hour. Some zone have given me 6 straight hours of hate. As for BiS t9 and put its' stats on the scroll, can't do it 100% of the time given some caps and the ilvl will be a little lower but it gives as close to the same stats as a t9 weapon.

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Originally Posted by LionKing

When mindless grind take over skills, think Nexus....

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What irks me is that this is simply like saying "why be/become skilled when you can just either grind something simple, or just wait?" I'm not saying those that chose to do relic stuff didn't work hard for what they've achieved/have yet to achieve, but at least Zenith felt like an accomplishment and not just a completion of a to-do list.

EDIT: I felt like this seemed as though I was attacking your words. I wasn't. I was actually supporting what you said and adding to it, sorry.