BLM and SMN BUFFs info is coming out!! PATCH 2.3 Preliminary

The delusion is strong in me? Please care to elaborate? I used to think movement was a big issue. Then I learnt how to play my class properly. But please, do tell. To be fair, T7 is the only place where we might have it tough. But even so, I still get about 260 DPS when I'm really unlucky. I get about 280 on T9 and I'm not even BiS

What is BLM good at? Turret DPS and AoE. What is BLM bad at? Any fight where you have to move. What is BLM's issue? Movement.

I thought deductive reasoning was commonplace by now. In a stand still fight, BLM edges out Bard but loses to everyone else (assuming equal gear and skill). So what happens when you have to move at all, bearing in mind that movement means you're doing 0 DPS save for procs? Issue was movement but now you can just hit for more damage before you have to move so I consider the buff good.

What would faster cast time on fire1 even remedy? You still have a cast time and you need to move you still need to cancel it if you're not already using a proc to dps while moving? What kind of casting speed do you even want? Might as well ask for fire1 to be instant cast all the time, no?

I'm one of those who would like to have firestarter stack at least up to 2 levels btw.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

I thought deductive reasoning was commonplace by now. In a stand still fight, BLM edges out Bard but loses to everyone else (assuming equal gear and skill). So what happens when you have to move at all, bearing in mind that movement means you're doing 0 DPS save for procs? Issue was movement but now you can just hit for more damage before you have to move so I consider the buff good.

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It has nothing to do with deductive reasoning I'm afraid. I am simply claiming that movement and loss of DPS is no problem if you have an actual idea of what you're doing as a BLM. People keep crying about movement. 330 DPS on T6, 280 on T7, T8 about 380, T9 also about 280. With these buffs I will get 20 or 30 more DPS. It's as Xisin said. People who are good at BLM know when to move, how to move and optimize their class. Doing something about movement "issues" would only serve the worst instead of the best.

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

The BLM does not have any movement issues. If you play smart you get high DPS, that's it

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This...

BLM is perfectly capable of moving and dps'ing, a lot of people are simply doing it wrong.

@The people claiming our DPS is all random, then why do I always do around the same DPS on T8 for every kill?

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Originally Posted by Exstal

Any fight where you have to move. What is BLM's issue? Movement.

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Name 1 fight where the movement involved is a problem for BLM more than any other class?

Why are they buffing BLM? As far as I have noticed BLM has been fine in fact most the time I see one in a party I'm like "HOLY CRAP" . I feel like SMN is kinda getting boned just a lil bit here.

SMN will be fine, they are still a high damage, high utility class that will see plenty of use. Bio 2 received an mp reduction this should allow summoners to use energy drain less often and stuff like miasma 2/shadow flare more often without tanking your mp. Garuda getting an instant cast aerial slash is far more useful than most of you are giving it credit for, seriously on your next turn 6/4/5/7 give aerial slash a try when you see two targets close to one another, or if a bane situation comes up now. Ifrit may be worth using in some situations now.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

What is BLM good at? Turret DPS and AoE. What is BLM bad at? Any fight where you have to move. What is BLM's issue? Movement.

I thought deductive reasoning was commonplace by now. In a stand still fight, BLM edges out Bard but loses to everyone else (assuming equal gear and skill). So what happens when you have to move at all, bearing in mind that movement means you're doing 0 DPS save for procs? Issue was movement but now you can just hit for more damage before you have to move so I consider the buff good.

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I think you come off as pretty arrogant for someone who doesn't seem to know what they are talking about.

To be honest, I feel people are greatly over-exaggerating how much movement is required in turns 6-9. Between "cast-clipping" (A term Kenji used in the Black Mage thread and one I'm quite fond of), smart positioning, and Aetherial Manipulation, I don't think I've gone more than 1 GCD without casting a spell unless I was learning the fight for the first time and didn't know how to react. In fact, the Bard in my group and I work together so that if I need to move somewhere, he's already there ahead of time and I can just zoom towards him. Obvious exception is Turn 7 where he's kiting Renauds, and so I zoom to my healers instead.

Black Mage has deeper rooted issues. That said, I'm all for straight up potency buffs.

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Originally Posted by Xisin

SMN will be fine, they are still a high damage, high utility class that will see plenty of use. Bio 2 received an mp reduction this should allow summoners to use energy drain less often and stuff like miasma 2/shadow flare more often without tanking your mp. Garuda getting an instant cast aerial slash is far more useful than most of you are giving it credit for, seriously on your next turn 6/4/5/7 give aerial slash a try when you see two targets close to one another, or if a bane situation comes up now. Ifrit may be worth using in some situations now.

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Ya my only concern is this makes blm too powerful, they already gods, at least the ones I have run into.

As far as SMN is concerned I would have liked a Miasma 2 MP reduction instead of Bio 2 (or shadow flare, not both though)

The freaking cast time on aerial slash is awesome though, i can't count the number of times I tell her to do this and she just sits there forever and then casts it when there is only one mob left.

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Originally Posted by Xisin

SMN will be fine, they are still a high damage, high utility class that will see plenty of use. Bio 2 received an mp reduction this should allow summoners to use energy drain less often and stuff like miasma 2/shadow flare more often without tanking your mp. Garuda getting an instant cast aerial slash is far more useful than most of you are giving it credit for, seriously on your next turn 6/4/5/7 give aerial slash a try when you see two targets close to one another, or if a bane situation comes up now. Ifrit may be worth using in some situations now.

I think you come off as pretty arrogant for someone who doesn't seem to know what they are talking about.

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I like your comment

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Originally Posted by Imoen

Ya my only concern is this makes blm too powerful, they already gods, at least the ones I have run into.

As far as SMN is concerned I would have liked a Miasma 2 MP reduction instead of Bio 2 (or shadow flare, not both though)

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I pretty sastisfied with Bio II MP reduce as Bio II is main power spell (though I want to know why they reduce it and how much they reduce, I hope they reduce it to 133 MP cost)

For Miasma 2, if you want my opinion, I never use it in my opinion if the fight not involved with 3 targets plus, even 2 target, its still not worth using because too high MP

I agreed with you about Miasma 2 MP reduce but I not agree with "instead", if choose Miasma 2 or Bio II, I choose Bio II