Please disable "Follow" inside duties.

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Originally Posted by Wadoka

Having a feature marked as known/acceptable from the developer's POV, still doesn't make it right to use the feature.

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In your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Manuka

Is he at the keyboard pressing buttons and putting in some effort? If yes then he can be as bad as he wants, I'll carry that scrub even if he gets hit by every AoE. >:3c

And I never called you a terrible person, maybe a terrible teammate, but not person. Some people prefer the easy route and honestly I can't blame them, this game can get pretty repetitive and grindy at times. However leaving an AI to do your job for you while your teammates have to put in some modicum of effort just irks me is all.

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Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you called me a terrible person specifically. I was referring to the notion that I (and other people who let Eos/Selene do all the work/afk/whatever) are apparently considered bad people for not going above and beyond for a party and choosing to be lazier than other members.

However, SCH just happens to be in a unique position where people can play like this and still do their jobs and I'll be damned if I let someone tell me that I'm wrong for doing so mainly because their job can't easy mode it too. If you don't like it, don't play with SCHs

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Originally Posted by Elim

In your opinion.

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Since this is the Universe created, Planck instant by Planck instant, by my perception of it, my opinion is the only opinion that matters.

It's also my opinion, to knowingly act as described in this scenario, marks one as a person of poor character, someone with whom I would not willingly associate and certainly never employ.


Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Wadoka

Someone with whom I would not willingly associate and certainly never employ.


Cheers.

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Your aren't someone who I'd willingly associate with or employ either. To me you come off as a little bit strange because you'd act that way towards someone who successfully healed a low level dungeon, just not the way you wanted them to.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Offended? Never said I was offended. But yes, it's selfish. 1/4 sees that they can get away with putting in less or even no effort compared the their team mates. They then take advantage of that. It's selfish. I never really have a problem with people being that way, I just leave if I think it's an issue and don't make a stink about it. What I see as the real problem is people saying it's not selfish or whatnot, when it is. Be honest about it, don't try to prop yourself up as the innocent.

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And what am I guilty of, exactly? Taking advantage of something to my benefit with no real detriment to other party members? That I can do my job with less to no effort compared to my party members and they can't?

Is it unfair? Probably. Is it lazy? Sure. But selfish? No. I'm not robbing the party of anything but my unneeded, undivided attention because Eos does that for me.

It's not my fault that it isn't possible to auto tank or auto dps effectively and expecting me to work harder for no real reason other than "I want you to work hard just because I have to in order to be relevant and useful!" is the real selfish action here.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

And what am I guilty of, exactly? Taking advantage of something to my benefit with no real detriment to other party members? That I can do my job with less to no effort compared to my party members and they can't?

Is it unfair? Probably. Is it lazy? Sure. But selfish? No. I'm not robbing the party of anything but my unneeded, undivided attention because Eos does that for me.

It's not my fault that it isn't possible to auto tank or auto dps effectively and expecting me to work harder for no real reason other than "I want you to work hard just because I have to in order to be relevant and useful!" is the real selfish action here.

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If playing instead of afking is your idea of working harder, you might have the wrong recreational activity.

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Originally Posted by Kerberon

If playing instead of afking is your idea of working harder, you might have the wrong recreational activity.

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I have plenty of other opportunities to "play" when I'm on other jobs. But if I could tank or dps and get up to take a poop at the same time I would.

Let me put this into perspective.

Eos is capable of healing low level dungeons without the help of the SCH himself or herself. By saying you want the SCH himself or herself to also heal, you're saying you want more heals than what is necessary which is called overhealing. Overhealing is bad. Tl;dr You're asking the SCH to be bad to make you happy.

Now if you're saying you don't want the SCH to overheal but to DPS then as aforementioned anything beyond healing from a healer is a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

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It's not even about going above and beyond for a party. I don't know, maybe it's my Canadian sensibilities talking but by /following a party member and letting your fairy do all the work while you go afk is basically telling your team "Yeah, my time is much more precious than yours so can you just play puppetmaster for the next 20mins or so and get me my roulette? k thnx bai." It just seems like a really rude and disrespectful thing to do since I bet they wept a little seeing that intro for the 50th time. Then they come to realize they're playing babysitter to some SCH's avatar, it's probably a frustrating experience.

Honestly I haven't been paired with a SCH in a looong time outside CT since I main it myself, so I was never aware this happened. But consider this; nobody chooses to partner with you or other SCH's, the DF does that for them, which is why I personally think if you're gonna low lvl roulette to at least show some form of etiquette that you would expect to receive yourself. Because really if your team could have the pick of the litter, do you think you would ever get chosen over the SCH who at least participates in the self-induced purgatory that is tam tara?

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Originally Posted by Elim

Let me put this into perspective.

Eos is capable of healing low level dungeons without the help of the SCH himself or herself. By saying you want the SCH himself or herself to also heal, you're saying you want the SCH to heal more than what is necessary which is called overhealing. Overhealing is bad. Tl;dr You're asking the SCH to be bad to make you happy.

Now, if you're saying you don't want the SCH to heal but to DPS, then as aforementioned anything beyond healing from a healer is a bonus.

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Let me put my opinion bluntly then. If you having all your healing covered by EoS and are not dps'ing but are half / fully afk on follow, you are no different than a bot and should receive a perma ban for botting.

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Originally Posted by Elim

I think saying people should be banned for it is worse than doing it. In my opinion it's an extreme, and gross, reaction to something that is not an issue but a preference of a player.

Now if SE takes away the ability to summon Eos in low level dungeons or halves her ability, I'd be fine with it. Even though it'd be nice to keep her the way she is now, as I DPS when I do low level dungeons as a SCH because I want them to go quicker.

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Accepting it is worse than banning. Perhaps the best solution is to remove the fairy in pre 30 dungeons. Seems too many people want to cheat to have nice things.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

People be hatin' on those who take advantage of SCH's ability to get the same amount of rewards for less work.

If that bothers you so much then you play SCH too! Become a master of being useful and useless at the same time and get crap for it! You'll even help with DF queue times overall with more healers in the pool! Everyone wins!

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I'm leveling a scholar currently. I dps in low level dungeons. follow-afk is the same as a bot, is the same as an exploit in my opinion. They're all ways to cheat, and all despicable.