Crafter=Botter (90%)

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Originally Posted by Val_Rhys

That's basically my point. It is insanely easy to craft, making it bot-friendly, and it's also very tedious, providing players additional motivation because the thought of actually crafting themselves is mind-numbing.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't think people with a few r50 classes are botters (and frankly I don't really care if they are). I do think this crafting system lends itself to botting though and more fundamental changes are needed, that the OP entirely missed.

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yes, its easy to craft, but not as easy as other games out there
which is why its a moot point

yes people bot, but they bot in EVERY game, and its worse in many other games cuz lets face it, its that much easier to do in other games(you can use a macroer to do it in other games, and thats alot harder to set up for this)

Whether it's easier or more difficult to bot in FFXIV than other games is completely irrelevant. That's why it's not a moot point. If they made changes that kept the spirit of the system but made it more difficult to bot, wouldn't you be in favour of it?

The OP is clearly way off base and I mostly agree with your earlier sentiments. But justifying a mediocre system by comparing the relative ease to other games makes little sense.

If they wanna bot let them because SE does have a track record of letting botters/cheaters run rampant for months or years then instantly ban-hammering them all into the ground at once. IE....salvage bans hahah

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Originally Posted by LateReg

why are people responding to his unintentional trolling and trying to actually discuss stuff with such a person? O_O

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Sometimes I ask myself this when I see the same nonsense threads being posted here every day and people still respond to them with an inch of seriousness.

Regardless on how I feel about bots and generally breaking the rules...

If crafting was fun people would do it themselves instead of leaving it to scripts.

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Originally Posted by Val_Rhys

Whether it's easier or more difficult to bot in FFXIV than other games is completely irrelevant. That's why it's not a moot point. If they made changes that kept the spirit of the system but made it more difficult to bot, wouldn't you be in favour of it?

The OP is clearly way off base and I mostly agree with your earlier sentiments. But justifying a mediocre system by comparing the relative ease to other games makes little sense.

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this depends on what kind of changes they are planning on making. if you make it negatively impact the people doing it legit now more than fatigue already is then no i am not. i am already not in favor of fatigue and gathering fatigue because it has a negative impact on legit players. i do not want to see more of them.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Regardless on how I feel about bots and generally breaking the rules...

If crafting was fun people would do it themselves instead of leaving it to scripts.

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no they wouldn't. there are people that do whatever they can to get ahead. a bot runs while you are not at the computer so you get levels and have to do nothing to get it. this goes for paying for someone to level your battle classes, craft botting, farm bots, and gathering bots.

they get something for nothing and no matter what changes are made to make them more fun the bot will always rank faster than you do since it never sleeps or has to leave the house.

If someone is caught botting/power leveling/selling or buying gils, that person would be kicked out of our linkshell.
And make sure his name as a cheater will be given to our friend Linkshells.

Every cheater in this game should be put to a point where he'll stop playing, or for the worst goes reroll on an other server.

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Originally Posted by LateReg

more 50s? i feel obligated to http://www.ffxivpro.com/player/Selbi...e-Registration

now that we're past that, as i said... OP is a clear idiot, incredibly jealous, and [borderline] dumb

why are people responding to his unintentional trolling and trying to actually discuss stuff with such a person? O_O

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Hey man, what's wrong with you? Serious question.

Do you honestly believe others are jealous of how much time you spent on this game? Get real.

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Originally Posted by Adol

Sometimes I ask myself this when I see the same nonsense threads being posted here every day and people still respond to them with an inch of seriousness.

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True. I know it's futile and probably a waste of time.

The only reason I felt compelled to reply is because the OP and I are on the same server, and I suspect that some of his alleged "bots" are my friends -- many of whom are Lalafell and have multiple R50 craft jobs. I just wanted to stick up for them and point out a few things that I've found after playing with them for 10 months now.

Time to again fade quietly into the background.

@LateReg Every post I see from you in every forum you're bragging or linking your ffxivpro page!