Market Wards vs AH

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Originally Posted by Xzen

I don't think they could port but they could use it as a model for building one in FFXIV. Would it be bugged to hell? Yes. Would it be slow and cumbersome? Yes. Would it likely crash? Yes. Would it likely be missing some features? Yes. We would in essence likely be where we were 4 months ago but with an AH instead.

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ok you have no idea what you talking about. Why would it be buggy as hell? back up your statements?

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

OK signing off now you have run out of constructive argument to rebuke my points.

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... says the one whose only argument is "I'm in the majority, therefore I'm right".

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Any is an answer, I am telling you all resources should be put in this direction. Understand now? /yawn

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Resource allocation isn't made with "any" or "all". You can be sure as hell that if SE redirected all their resources to create an AH and stopped development of any other kind of content and fixes, there would be an immense outrage of people expecting actual stuff to do in the game, and not seeing any.

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You think your an expert, but listen to the majority of GAMERS on this thread and others. They are unhappy with the games core. And thats why its gonna change, and i dont think your gonna like it. Seeya

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Majority? Did you count?
I see a lot of posts around by people that say that the market wards are functional and just need to be tweaked.

Assuming that the majority automatically agrees with yiu is quite flawed logic my friend.

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

ok you have no idea what you talking about. Why would it be buggy as hell? back up your statements?

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Have you played FFXIV? I really don't think they can pull a fully functional AH out of a hat with all of the functionality we want based on everything we have seen from them so far. I'm going on track record here.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Maybe it's just me, but the Market Wards already are an AH. SE intended to use them in a different way, but after all the moaning they almost mutilated it to keep players from leaving. Still demanding an AH is kind of funny, as we already have it.
Well, that's just my 2 cents anyway.

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nah mate, It's not just you.

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

Metacritic (lol)? what are you 10 ? I used Metacritic to make a point they gather up the socres of the most popular websites critiques and average them out. The Metacritic scores i posted are based on 25 reviews form sites such as Eurogamer, Gamespot, IGN etcetc.

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I would say only someone that's 10 would use metacritic (or reviews at that) to prove a point. Metacritic choses reviews to include in their score in an extremely arbitrary way, and those reviews are written by no one else than 25 average people, none of which played the game for more than 1/100th of what any average person posting on this forum did. Their opinions are negligible at best, and outdated/obsolete as well, since they have been written when the game was just launched, and was very different than it is now. Market wards, by then, had absolutely no way to search them other than manually browsing every single bazar, and their functionality was very limited.

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Man, your an idiot.

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Out of agruments, time for insults.

I would like to see an Auction House. I do not like the current retainer system.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Maybe it's just me, but the Market Wards already are an AH. SE intended to use them in a different way, but after all the moaning they almost mutilated it to keep players from leaving. Still demanding an AH is kind of funny, as we already have it.
Well, that's just my 2 cents anyway.

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True, but you're taking people too literally. Most people who are asking for an AH aren't asking for a new, literal AH building or bust. They're asking for a system that meets the standards set by a traditional AH, whether it's scrapping the Wards and setting up a new system *or* simply upgrading the Wards that offer all the same things. Almost anybody asking for an AH would be perfectly happy with upgraded Wards that fit all those same standards and needs.

What we are asking for is the standards of the AH concept to be met, not necessarily an entirely new building with "Auction House" written on it if the concept can be realized through other means.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

nah mate, It's not just you.



I would say only someone that's 10 would use metacritic (or reviews at that) to prove a point. Metacritic choses reviews to include in their score in an extremely arbitrary way, and those reviews are written by no one else than 25 average people, none of which played the game for more than 1/100th of what any average person posting on this forum did. Their opinions are negligible at best, and outdated/obsolete as well, since they have been written when the game was just launched, and was very different than it is now. Market wards, by then, had absolutely no way to search them other than manually browsing every single bazar, and their functionality was very limited.



Out of agruments, time for insults.

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Metracritic is pretty good, and your argument that the reviews of this game are outdated blablablabla, well they dont hold water, when you consider that the population of this game, is Worse than when those reviews came out :)

If the game was 100% better than when it was released well.... where are the players ?

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

True, but you're taking people too literally. Most people who are asking for an AH aren't asking for a new, literal AH building or bust. They're asking for a system that meets the standards set by a traditional AH, whether it's scrapping the Wards and setting up a new system *or* simply upgrading the Wards that offer all the same things. Almost anybody asking for an AH would be perfectly happy with upgraded Wards that fit all those same standards and needs.

What we are asking for is the standards of the AH concept to be met, not necessarily an entirely new building with "Auction House" written on it if the concept can be realized through other means.

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nah shin. That's exactly the problem. If you read through this thread you'll notice that most "AH-fans" (at least around here) aren't asking for that. They're asking for a rather abstract entity that's named "Auction House", looks like an "auction House", works exactly like an "Auction House" in their favourite game of choice.
If the market wards were to evolve in something that has the full functionality of an "Auction House", but they were still called "Market Wards", it still wouldn't be good for them.

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Originally Posted by Ostia

Metracritic is pretty good, and your argument that the reviews of this game are outdated blablablabla, well they dont hold water, when you consider that the population of this game, is Worse than when those reviews came out :)

If the game was 100% better than when it was released well.... where are the players ?

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Aside from the fact that lately I've been seeing a lot of people from the first months come back, you're skipping a link.
You assume that players that left the game previously know that the game is improved, and that the game is improved enough for them to come back, or simply don't have anything better to do with their lives.

Denying that the game has improved massively since launch is (which doesn't mean that there still isn't a truckton of room for improvement), honestly, extremely laughable. But you're free to do that if you like the idea of publicly looking like a fool.

Reviews of this game are outdated simply because many of the flaws they complain about simply don't exist anymore, or have been largely mitigated.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

nah shin. That's exactly the problem. If you read through this thread you'll notice that most "AH-fans" (at least around here) aren't asking for that. They're asking for a rather abstract entity that's named "Auction House", looks like an "auction House", works exactly like an "Auction House" in their favourite game of choice.
If the market wards were to evolve in something that has the full functionality of an "Auction House", but they were still called "Market Wards", it still wouldn't be good for them.

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For unreasonable people, yes, it wouldn't be good for them. Some people will NEVER be happy. But it's also highly unreasonable to say that given all the same benefits and options of an AH, just without actually calling it an AH, most people would still be saying, "I want an AH!"

A rose is a rose by any other name, and people can smell an Auction House, even if it's called "Market Wards" still.

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Originally Posted by Ostia

Metracritic is pretty good, and your argument that the reviews of this game are outdated blablablabla, well they dont hold water, when you consider that the population of this game, is Worse than when those reviews came out :)

If the game was 100% better than when it was released well.... where are the players ?

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I know the population isn't what it was when it first came out. But the server I'm on is far from unpopulated or even feeling the effects of a population decrease..