Here's how people made millions in 1 month, my story.

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Originally Posted by calamityz

Your river of tears can probably replace China's polluted water sources. kthxdiethread.

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Originally Posted by Aureliami

The people supporting SE would drop their support the INSTANT they got 99% of their progress deleted just because somewhere deep in the logs it shows they did a dungeon with a cheater or exploiter or gil buyer.

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Just wait until it's your turn to get 99% of your progress taken away.

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Originally Posted by KevinC

Actually they were buying them to make a nugget for their relics, there were no 2 stars items 2 weeks after launch, tomes mats were not for sell yet (on my server that is), not to mention I couldn't even provide the HQ ores. Please try to think before posting even if it seem really really hard.

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yes sure they didnt put them up the market board to profit for relic rush ppl right.

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Originally Posted by Aureliami

Just wait until it's your turn to get 99% of your progress taken away.

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16 years + no bans and never been hacked , I must be special ..............

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If SE does not give avenues of investigation to players to determine if the Gil is legitimate then the responsibility should be solely on them.

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Easy: Don't do business through /tell.

It's amazing how much I see "all crafts x craftsmanship y control, can HQ all 2 star". Who will buy from you? People will ask for their relic precursor maybe, but that's 1-star, except for BLM where its only lv 50 normal. People who can buy that kind of crafts (entire Vanya set) have 5 million+ on hand. Which they made by doing what? Running AK? Nope, they probably crafted...which makes them asking for the set stupid. They could save 100k+ making it themselves, per item.

1) People who run dungeons only will go DL -> AF2
2) People who craft and have the money...are very likely to do it themselves.
3) Who does it leave? RMT buyers
4) and legit players in 6+ months when its common to be able to afford the equivalent of 10000 philosophy tomes like its not much

I'll have all crafts at 50...solely to craft for myself. And meld. Repair too. But to sell Vanya? Just no clients.

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Originally Posted by Overon

16 years + no bans and never been hacked , I must be special ..............

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So if the cops never wrongfully arrested you then it can't happen? What kind of stupid logic is that?

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Originally Posted by Sterob

yes sure they didnt put them up the market board to profit for relic rush ppl right.

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You're right, I was selling my stuff at a high price (if you consider spending 36k for the best weapon in-game expensive) since I was the only provider. Would you be so kind to give me the link for the prices at which gathered mats should have been sold on the market at launch?

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Originally Posted by Lyndoggy_Dog

I've played enough games ans seen enough crap pulled by companies to know they aren't always right. Infact a lot of the time their wrong, they have to answer to nobody so they can do as they please to an extent, I haven't seen a single person post about being suspended and returning with all their Gil intact. Until I do I believe SE have just done as they pleased.

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If taking money from others is all that is needed to make income legitimate, the whole concept of money laundering wouldn't exist.

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Originally Posted by AntonIdas

I love how people with no concept of economics are posting strong counter-opinions about this

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The economics are one thing, I'd be more interested to hear how he supposedly beat the rest of the server to level 50 Miner by a week without botting, especially since he was competing with bots.

This is why SE adding more exp to miner/botany so the economy will go down.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Easy: Don't do business through /tell.

It's amazing how much I see "all crafts x craftsmanship y control, can HQ all 2 star". Who will buy from you? People will ask for their relic precursor maybe, but that's 1-star, except for BLM where its only lv 50 normal. People who can buy that kind of crafts (entire Vanya set) have 5 million+ on hand. Which they made by doing what? Running AK? Nope, they probably crafted...which makes them asking for the set stupid. They could save 100k+ making it themselves, per item.

1) People who run dungeons only will go DL -> AF2
2) People who craft and have the money...are very likely to do it themselves.
3) Who does it leave? RMT buyers
4) and legit players in 6+ months when its common to be able to afford the equivalent of 10000 philosophy tomes like its not much

I'll have all crafts at 50...solely to craft for myself. And meld. Repair too. But to sell Vanya? Just no clients.

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I am now in the 2 star market. Reason for why: I noticed I could make more money per minute spent simply selling items that were not 2-star items than I could do doing CM 30 minutes runs where I also fully converted all my cheaply crafted HQ gear to materia every 3 runs. This suggested that the 50-60k market price for a 125-tomestone item was actually reasonable given the effort. This is without having a monopoly on those pre-2star markets.

Naturally, I do background check on every single customer that I've sold i70 HQ to. I've met several suspected gil buyers; one that is 99% surely a gil buyer; all reported of course. I could have made over 5 mllions gil in profit in under one hour of crafting if I had sold to that "99% surely a gil buyer".

So who are the people that I mostly sell to that I find believable to be legit:
1. People who already hit their mythology cap of the week but still don't have enough mythology to deck out their character completely, so they compliment their gear by grinding materia and philosophy stones to buy i70 HQ gear. This group often have themselves the philosophy stones needed, so I just take a crafting profit of roughly 100k after tax and provide remaining items which are usually very cheap. Often they do not have a good enough FC or they have bad luck with Bahamut Coil.

2. People who have one or two high crafts and want to gear up their own combat character. I.e. they contanct a HQ i70 crafter of a craft they can't do to gear up their own combat character.

3. Gatherers. This one is small minority though.
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Originally Posted by Melithea

The economics are one thing, I'd be more interested to hear how he supposedly beat the rest of the server to level 50 Miner by a week without botting, especially since he was competing with bots.

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I am guessing that he either really forced himself to endure the boredom that grinding mining without leves is (I am assuming he got his miner to lv50 long before he got his combat character there, which means that he did not have access to time-efficient leves) or that he botted just like you said.