Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

Hi guys. First post and all that crap.

Is Phleb worth using? Is it better to try and fit in more Full Thrust combo's in a rotation than keep Phlep up?

Sorry if this question has been answered before and thank you in advance.

Phleb is definitely worth using.

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Originally Posted by Esperacchius

Hi guys. First post and all that crap.

Is Phleb worth using? Is it better to try and fit in more Full Thrust combo's in a rotation than keep Phlep up?

Sorry if this question has been answered before and thank you in advance.

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Yes. From the OP:

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Originally Posted by Ayvar

HT-ID-Dis-CT-Ph-TT-VT-FT

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Other than Life Surge and Jump timing the OP is still relevant.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Other than Life Surge and Jump timing the OP is still relevant.

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Talking of which, where is Ayvar? There's a lot of information that should be in the OP and sadly no one is there to update it... We'll definitely need OP to be updated when the expansion comes. It'll be a shame to have to create a new thread and have all of the information, + the most probably 600+ pages of pure gold buried :(

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Talking of which, where is Ayvar? There's a lot of information that should be in the OP and sadly no one is there to update it... We'll definitely need OP to be updated when the expansion comes. It'll be a shame to have to create a new thread and have all of the information, + the most probably 600+ pages of pure gold buried :(

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I vote Dervy to take over and recreate this thread!

Just quote over all the relevant bits.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

I vote Dervy to take over and recreate this thread!

Just quote over all the relevant bits.

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If someone could find the guy (or some moderator intervene), someone (Dervy) could re-do the OP post with all the new stuff right here and, for the first post of the thread, just put a Link to the new reply, so newcommers just click and skip to the new stuff (and mantaining the legacy for nostalgy). It'll be kinda mess but at least we could have an active member in charge, plus not bury all the gold.

Gold always ends up getting buried, only to be dug up by the bravest of adeventurers.

Contacted SE and unfortunately they cannot pass on thread rights to another user. Sad times. For the expansion then, there definitely will be a new thread then unless Ayvar somehow comes back from the dead.

Time to go sift through 436 pages to find all of the high-quality posts that never made it to OP and archive them. RIP life.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Contacted SE and unfortunately they cannot pass on thread rights to another user. Sad times. For the expansion then, there definitely will be a new thread then unless Ayvar somehow comes back from the dead.

Time to go sift through 436 pages to find all of the high-quality posts that never made it to OP and archive them. RIP life.

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I hope you take the wheel if Ayvar doesn't return :D RIP life indeed, but for a good cause!

Time to be a Dragon Riding, Au Ra Dragoon.

Thank you based Yoshida.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Contacted SE and unfortunately they cannot pass on thread rights to another user. Sad times. For the expansion then, there definitely will be a new thread then unless Ayvar somehow comes back from the dead.

Time to go sift through 436 pages to find all of the high-quality posts that never made it to OP and archive them. RIP life.

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I think it's better to open the new thread as soon as possible, when you finish to dig all the old posts. With the expansion there will be a lot of new things to discuss and the job will probably change dramatically, so most of the informations here will be outdated. Anyway thank you for the hard work, as usual.

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Originally Posted by Lucael_Shikaree

I think it's better to open the new thread as soon as possible, when you finish to dig all the old posts. With the expansion there will be a lot of new things to discuss and the job will probably change dramatically, so most of the informations here will be outdated. Anyway thank you for the hard work, as usual.

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I think the real topic of discussion should be what to call the 3.0 thread, keeping in mind the "theme" that this one was named after the expansion of 2.0 A Rotation Reborn in respects to Ayvar.

Dragoonsward: (etc etc etc)


I'm bad at titles :(

Would it be a terribly horrible dps loss if I opened with HT-Ph-ID-Dis-CT?

It just feels smoother to me.

It'll be around a 3-5 DPS loss over the recommended rotation.

@ Raid dragoons who raid t11-13

Do you always use the marodeur +dot+ in your rotation or only the <20% strike ?

Fracture is bad, don't use it. Mercy Stroke is just fine though.

Thanks Tilgung ;)

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Originally Posted by rickyguo

immediately after phase change and then immediately after megaflare

if you get earthshaker after you say gg weep and click it off

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

- After Teraflare (wombo combo + potion!)
- After Earthshaker targets, if you're not it (lasts through Tempest Wing)
- After Gigaflare (through Akh Morn)

All of these are good times for LB3, too, but that's shorter and less likely to get you creamed anyway.

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Thanks for the tips, I felt that these advices helped me a lot, just had 1% wipe today and hopefully it dies tomorrow... Thanks a lot

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Dragoonsward: (etc etc etc)


I'm bad at titles :(

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Dragoons: Heavens' Rotation?
Dragoons: Rotationsward?

Heavensward isn't as amenable to the substitution as A Realm Reborn was, sadly.

They should've called it Heavenspear! (yuk yuk yuk)

Heaven'sGoon A new Order

Ascension: Unto the Skies of ishgard

Oooh there's going to be a main Scenario Battle at ishgard. Patch 2.5 part 2. This'll give us some inspiration.

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Dragoons: Heavens' Rotation?

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More like...Heavensturn?

quick question: how much ss would I need to make sure that phleb never falls off ?
At the moment I have 350 ss and it works out fine with HT and CT but Phleb allways falls off for a short moment.I would like to keep it up to make sure no tic is missing.

It doesn't actually matter if it falls off. As long as you're reapplying it within 1-2 seconds, you should hit the in-game tick counter, unless you're unlucky. But if you wanted to know the exact number, it's 407 Skillspeed, without factoring in delays with jumps, latency and keypresses. 420+ to be safe.

thanks. and yes Ive been thinking about bad luck with the 3 sec global tic.
The Idea was to push ss to the max with my 2 crafted pieces and maybe reach the cap to keep phleb up non stop, but 407 is too much.
It also happens alot that I use jump at a bad moment animation lock wise, so 420 would be my goal, which is definately not in reach atm and also not worth it I guess.
It just drives me crazy to see phleb fall off ;)

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Originally Posted by Martyn

thanks. and yes Ive been thinking about bad luck with the 3 sec global tic.
The Idea was to push ss to the max with my 2 crafted pieces and maybe reach the cap to keep phleb up non stop, but 407 is too much.
It also happens alot that I use jump at a bad moment animation lock wise, so 420 would be my goal, which is definately not in reach atm and also not worth it I guess.
It just drives me crazy to see phleb fall off ;)

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Well as a DRG, you want to have as less SS as possible so you can focus on Crit/Det so you can get more Deeps, since we have no SS buff like MNK or NIN. IMHO, it's not worth trying to have a SS cap just for Phlebo, you'll end up doing lessthan if you just focused on crit/det. But up to you, hope it works fine for you !

A dragoon reborn!

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Originally Posted by Spayd

Well as a DRG, you want to have as less SS as possible so you can focus on Crit/Det so you can get more Deeps, since we have no SS buff like MNK or NIN. IMHO, it's not worth trying to have a SS cap just for Phlebo, you'll end up doing lessthan if you just focused on crit/det. But up to you, hope it works fine for you !

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That SS makes you shallow, you want to be DEEP.

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Originally Posted by Martyn

quick question: how much ss would I need to make sure that phleb never falls off ?
At the moment I have 350 ss and it works out fine with HT and CT but Phleb allways falls off for a short moment.I would like to keep it up to make sure no tic is missing.

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This is my current gear setup: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OVO7

No skill speed at all, but I'm always able to re-apply Phlebotomize the moment it falls off. The DoT would be at 2~3 seconds left when I'm using a weaponskill right before using Phlebotomize. So probably there's something in your rotation that you should tweak a bit?

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

A dragoon reborn!

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I like it. Not to much of a change but goes well with the buff dragoons just got.

Just beat T12 for first time this week. How is 470 DPS + LB3 cast?

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Originally Posted by Daweism

Just beat T12 for first time this week. How is 470 DPS + LB3 cast?

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Depends on strat, if you have NIN, push timings, etc

I'd say it seems slightly higher than it should be unless you're AoEing Blackfires/Bennus somewhat. My group pushes last phase with only one dodge phase (which results in a tidy overall DPS increase for the group, going to guess for your first clear you had two dodge phases) and our DRG only does 460 but he doesn't do any form of AoE, has no NIN, and he's on Phoenix and the large Bennus at all times.

No AoE, I stay on Phoenix the whole time, we handle our own red fires by grabbing our own BLUE and doing it ourselves, I had that twice. We had 5 Bennus, I swap between the large and small Bennus and also I'm one of the fountain soakers. Definitely had 2 dodge phases, I do have a NIN though. I'm i119 with Longinus.

In other news... did 608 DPS on T6 the other day lol. This weeks T10 kill was 500.7 DPS, no food.

I apologize in advance as this has probably been covered multiple times: Something I've been wondering since launch but never got to the bottom of is whether it's better to save cooldowns to be used together or to use them immediately off cooldown. Assuming no mechanics and you're just poking away at your heart's content. Is it a significant DPS difference? I've always been hesitant to use untraited IR on its own for whatever reason.

And while we're at it, IR or B4B first? The OP explains IR first to avoid the risk of B4B falling off before Full Thrust, but those days are long gone with the amount of SS we tend to have now. I got into a strange habit of B4B > x > IR just have them end at the same time. Again, totally unfounded and pure preference. I figure it's worth investigating as our numbers are getting significantly bigger.

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Originally Posted by HonchoBancho

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To do max DPS, always keep your Cooldowns... on Cooldown.
I do PS (as the MT is about to pull), IR+B4B (right before u get into melee), HT (right as you enter melee), LS, ID, JUMP, DE, DFD, CT, SS, PHLEB.

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Originally Posted by HonchoBancho

And while we're at it, IR or B4B first? The OP explains IR first to avoid the risk of B4B falling off before Full Thrust, but those days are long gone with the amount of SS we tend to have now. I got into a strange habit of B4B > x > IR just have them end at the same time. Again, totally unfounded and pure preference. I figure it's worth investigating as our numbers are getting significantly bigger.

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IR first, this is because IR will drop off after Vorpal Thrust, then you'd Life Surge the Full Thrust, otherwise it'd be a waste of a potential crit.

ir first has always lined up my bfb a lot better later in the rotation than bfb first