Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

I dont get it. Wasn't this thread "basically just I know the content for me exists, but I am too anxious to engage with it and I keep defaulting to content that isn't designed for me?" Then why there are people in this thread who have done it and still complain?

Also if "The healing demands in UWU even are huge. If you want to heal hard, do hard content." then why there are solo heals for years? Why there are 0 healer clears for TOP and UCOB which are known to be harder? Why TEA has a 1 healer clear and DSR had one on patch too? For content with "huge" healing demands sure its weird that those demands can be covered with a competent party and just 1 healer.

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I mean if you don't enjoy being on top of the game then maybe it's not for you. Your opinion is an outlier opinion in this thread. It's not hard for me to understand why you're upset. I just don't think you have a valid position.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I mean if you don't enjoy being on top of the game then maybe it's not for you. Your opinion is an outlier opinion in this thread. It's not hard for me to understand why you're upset. I just don't think you have a valid position.

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So people who try and do the content dont have a valid position, but people who don't also dont have it? It's a weird way to say you're alone in your praise

Also please tell how is my "opinion" when the proof of it being mathematically possible is there? You can click the first messages and see how you don't need 2 healers, sometimes not even 1 to clear. Weird for such an "engaging" content with "huge" healing demands

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

So people who try and do the content dont have a valid position, but people who don't also dont have it? It's a weird way to say you're alone in your praise

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The people who I have met progging uwu in pf definitely don't share the perspectives I'm reading in this thread.

What I am saying is, if you don't enjoy the ease of experience that comes with mastery and the feeling of being on top of the entire game, maybe you should move on to something else since clearly what you like is the struggle of getting good at something. You've become good at this game at the highest level, there's nothing left for you in the means of struggling to get good. Move on, or learn to enjoy being a master.

If you're even playing at the level you suggest that is. You linked someone else's accomplishment in a youtube video, I don't know what you are capable of personally. Maybe you're just looking at what someone else can do and acting like it is inevitable you can do that since it is possible. Talk to me when it is actually you who is doing that, but even then I'd just say the same thing. Move on if you're done with it.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I mean if you don't enjoy being on top of the game then maybe it's not for you. Your opinion is an outlier opinion in this thread. It's not hard for me to understand why you're upset. I just don't think you have a valid position.

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What is this, some kind of competition? You have to be on top because...? I'm aware the thread is 400+ pages long, but a thread this huge should have caught SE's attention long ago with the issues at hand. This is the same company that tells you to go play other games, and people believe they "care". They don't, they want your money but are perfectly aware their content is very hollow so they don't want you to burn out too quickly. A company that believes in holy trinity with tank + healer + dps shouldn't tell healers to go play the hardest content in the game just because you wanna "feel" something. It's been shown and proven healers aren't needed in the hardest content either. Yes, it takes a lot of planning and progging, but it's the possibility that's awful -- and SE doesn't give a damn.

The problem is that there's no proper competition against FFXIV except maybe WoW, so SE got lazy with their designs and calls it innovation.

I feel like there's a difference between "easy" and "I can afk."

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

The people who I have met progging uwu in pf definitely don't share the perspectives I'm reading in this thread.

What I am saying is, if you don't enjoy the ease of experience that comes with mastery and the feeling of being on top of the entire game, maybe you should move on to something else since clearly what you like is the struggle of getting good at something. You've become good at this game at the highest level, there's nothing left for you in the means of struggling to get good. Move on, or learn to enjoy being a master.

If you're even playing at the level you suggest that is. You linked someone else's accomplishment in a youtube video, I don't know what you are capable of personally. Maybe you're just looking at what someone else can do and acting like it is inevitable you can do that since it is possible. Talk to me when it is actually you who is doing that, but even then I'd just say the same thing. Move on if you're done with it.

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The people who I met progging 5 ultimates do. So do the 400 pages of nonstop complaints.

You haven't answered my questions so I'll repeat them:

If "The healing demands in UWU even are huge. If you want to heal hard, do hard content." then why there are solo heals for years? Why there are 0 healer clears for TOP and UCOB which are known to be harder? Why TEA has a 1 healer clear and DSR had one on patch too? For content with "huge" healing demands sure its weird that those demands can be covered with a competent party and just 1 healer.

My accomplishment or not, it doesn't matter. The fact that is possible is proof enough of the design issues of this game.

If you truly are curious about my performance, you know the forbidden web where to check it but you may need to change the tab to Shb to see the TEA, UCOB and UWU ones

Every day, new people are tricked into responding to Hikari.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Easy content is always going to be easy. Yoshi-p is completely right with what he is saying. The healing demands in UWU even are huge. If you want to heal hard, do hard content. Even savage raiding is pointless to me now that I've started engaging with ultimates. It's a lot of effort for something that will never be close to as satisfying. If I have to grind savages I will, but I'd rather just solely do ultimates now that I know what it is like.

I still do most content levels in this game for leveling or tomestone grinding or whatever, but ultimates are the only part of the game I am really finding to be an enjoyable level of challenge that is worth the effort. Savages and extremes are challenging enough to be high effort content sure, but it's not the same. I'm only up to having killed titan in UWU too but wow it is just 100000% more engaging to me.

This whole thread kinda shouldn't exist because it is basically just "I know the content for me exists, but I am too anxious to engage with it and I keep defaulting to content that isn't designed for me". Self growth is more important than expecting the game to change to cater to people's performance anxieties lol

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Good thing I didn't ask for hard, but for interesting gameplay.
And yes that can be a thing even in simple content.
Back in SB I had DoTs on sch to juggle even when doing "easy" content, it gave you Something to do.

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Originally Posted by vetch

Every day, new people are tricked into responding to Hikari.

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Guilty as charged, lesson learned tho

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

Good thing I didn't ask for hard, but for interesting gameplay.
And yes that can be a thing even in simple content.
Back in SB I had DoTs on sch to juggle even when doing "easy" content, it gave you Something to do.

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I want that back. Please!

Just posting to support healer jobs.
Please give sch back miasma 2, shadowflare and bane(this already exist in pvp for sch so it can be possible in pve too!).

I can't imagine going through another expansion spamming only one attack and one dot....well..sge got new attacks but I want more attacks on sch like it use to and aero 2 on whm.
I think pretty much anything to break up the same tempo of just spamming glare will be great...

Gemina has made a #HealerStrike thread that I'm pretty sure we're all going to bump along side this one. Of course, no one is obligated to add their name or join the strike but I figured people may like to know in the event it gets buried quickly.

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Originally Posted by vetch

Every day, new people are tricked into responding to Hikari.

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Yeah, for real, like, did everyone forget Internet Rule #1: "Don't feed the troll?"

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Originally Posted by Plushy

Just posting to support healer jobs.
Please give sch back miasma 2, shadowflare and bane(this already exist in pvp for sch so it can be possible in pve too!).

I can't imagine going through another expansion spamming only one attack and one dot....well..sge got new attacks but I want more attacks on sch like it use to and aero 2 on whm.
I think pretty much anything to break up the same tempo of just spamming glare will be great...

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No thanks.
Healers are for healing not dps.

Since ARR to —> Sbh people complained about " healers refusing to dps" that made people suffer anxiety for years. Now that SE listened and fixed the problem everyone outside of this forum are happy.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

No thanks.
Healers are for healing not dps.

Since ARR to —> Sbh people complained about " healers refusing to dps" that made people suffer anxiety for years. Now that SE listened and fixed the problem everyone outside of this forum are happy.

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Maybe tanks should play a healer if they are so desperate to have near limitless heals that delete the healer

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Now that SE listened and fixed the problem everyone outside of this forum are happy.

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Surely such a wide sweeping statement comes with irrefutable proof, yes?

Care to present it to the class? We're all eager to see this proof that literally everyone outside of here are happy. :)

Lmao so healers are psychiatrist now?

Too bad we can’t just Esuna stupid lol.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

No thanks.
Healers are for healing not dps.

Since ARR to —> Sbh people complained about " healers refusing to dps" that made people suffer anxiety for years. Now that SE listened and fixed the problem everyone outside of this forum are happy.

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Let me guess, Yuna from FFX is your favourite character because how she basically does nothing but to heal and buff until she learned holy?

And you probably hate FFX-2 because you can't handle the idea of Yuna can be a DPSer?

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Lmao so healers are psychiatrist now?

Too bad we can’t just Esuna stupid lol.

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Reminds me how during Aion at one point, a lot of Clerics (basically main healer like WHM) got talked shit so people started switching to other classes because taking in the harassment was getting too exhausting, only then same complainers complaining that no one wants to heal. Shocker.

If FFXIV didn't have the current job switching thing, I wonder how many people would've actually stuck to being healers?

Curiously, YouTube recommended me this video, and I haven't even searched anything related to GW2 in months.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

No thanks.
Healers are for healing not dps.

Since ARR to —> Sbh people complained about " healers refusing to dps" that made people suffer anxiety for years. Now that SE listened and fixed the problem everyone outside of this forum are happy.

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You know what, that is sooo true! But you know there is Tank anxiety now, so let's just remove all DPS buttons from tanks and just give them mitigation abilities and crowd control!
And you know what, if we are at that, why don't we address the DPS anxiety by removing all buffs and self-sustain! So people will not have Anxiety for pressing Faint every few minutes!

If you couldn't sense my sarcasm, I will point it out plainly. You only have "anxiety" on a role you are learning. I had "heal anxiety" until I got used to the kit, then it was very fun. And then they lobotomized it and now I am a Broil spammer with a floating microwave for a Faery!
When I played tank, I had "anxiety" while learning, then it got fun.
When I played DPS, I had "anxiety" while learning, then it got fun.

You get "anxiety" on every role. Why does only 1 of them need to be literally stripped down of all fun because some people get "anxiety"?

I am happy SCH will get a new DoT, but want my DoT management back, so I can do some strategising mid-fight depending on the tank. Should I put a shield, or will I get away with reapplying my DoT here, if I do and things go south, do I have a backup plan?
And more than that with the devs refusing to nerf the overpowered self-sustain of tanks and even double down on them, I would at least have something to do instead of Broil/Art of War spam.

This person must love playing the msq as a healer in solo duties. So fun healing npc's. :confused:

Anxiety over a videogame is hilarious. No one's dying for real, just turn off the tv lol.

Healers are always told to just play dps but warriors are never told to just play healer if they want more heals.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Healers are always told to just play dps but warriors are never told to just play healer if they want more heals.

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I personally would love to see Warrior and to a lesser extent paladin, starting to complain about not having enough sustain lol.

Their expression would quiet a sight to behold when they were told by CBU3 to play healers for more sustain and heals.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

No thanks.
Healers are for healing not dps.

Since ARR to —> Sbh people complained about " healers refusing to dps" that made people suffer anxiety for years. Now that SE listened and fixed the problem everyone outside of this forum are happy.

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*Only has SGE at 90*
Yeah, that checks out. ʱªʱªʱª(ᕑᗢूᓫ∗)

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

No thanks.
Healers are for healing not dps.

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Then where is the damage we need to heal?

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No thanks.
Healers are for healing not dps.

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Funny saying that after 4k+ complaints about not having what to heal. Tanks nowadays (maybe with the exception of DRK) don\\'t need healing anymore.

Alas, healers don't have attack rotation, don't have to heal, don't have any supporting spell, don't tank... Why does some party bring a healer over a RDM?

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

Funny saying that after 4k+ complaints about not having what to heal. Tanks nowadays (maybe with the exception of DRK) don\\'t need healing anymore.

Alas, healers don't have attack rotation, don't have to heal, don't have any supporting spell, don't tank... Why does some party bring a healer over a RDM?

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Pretty much for only three reasons.

1. New players don't know any better. Hell if I were a new player I would also expect a game with a role trinity to actual require said trinity and not make excluding one role just as safe while also being faster.
2. It's enforced by the duty finder matchmaking
3. FFlogs basically punishes you for running a non-standard composition by hiding those logs in some corner.

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Originally Posted by Zadood

Let me guess, Yuna from FFX is your favourite character because how she basically does nothing but to heal and buff until she learned holy?

And you probably hate FFX-2 because you can't handle the idea of Yuna can be a DPSer?

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Ah, but you're forgetting that WHM was Yuna's subjob. She was a SMN main, after all. :)

Mayhap it's the douche in me speaking but people need to stop crutching on the anxiety excuse. You having anxiety shouldn't be an excuse for a whole damn role to be so boring. Having more to do won't stop heal bots botting.

The new ultimates are a pain in butt without recap gear who increase 1-2% per members dps. I do understand the difficulty but god damn its disband a lot players.

....you know...and this is just a thought....as difficult as it would be to accomplish. Could organize a mass refund of DawnTrail pre orders.

hit them where it hurts to be heard. since they CLEARLY don't read our complaints in the forums. that have been being made for YEARS. ...stop giving them money. cancel the thousands of preorders. they WILL take notice of thousands of dollars suddenly being requested back by their player base.


granted this is an incomplete and ...very likely ineffective method. but it was a thought nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by XiaoShengwu

....you know...and this is just a thought....as difficult as it would be to accomplish. Could organize a mass refund of DawnTrail pre orders.

hit them where it hurts to be heard. since they CLEARLY don't read our complaints in the forums. that have been being made for YEARS. ...stop giving them money. cancel the thousands of preorders. they WILL take notice of thousands of dollars suddenly being requested back by their player base.


granted this is an incomplete and ...very likely ineffective method. but it was a thought nonetheless.

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It would be very ineffective due to preorder bonuses, the minion/weapon skin they give you in the mail. By receiving them, you've automatically waived your right to a refund, afaik

And if you try to 'force' a refund by contacting your bank and doing a chargeback, SE will likely just ban your account because they'd see it as 'fraud' or whatever reasoning they want to come up with

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Originally Posted by JuicyHeals

Mayhap it's the douche in me speaking but people need to stop crutching on the anxiety excuse. You having anxiety shouldn't be an excuse for a whole damn role to be so boring. Having more to do won't stop heal bots botting.

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Not only that, but if anxiety were truly the main reason, then tanks should be in a far worse state than healers, but instead they went the opposite direction and made tanks blue DPS with extra armor. The double standard is truly shameless.

Given how often people are bringing up the "just play harder content" excuse for dismissing the present healer irritation, I feel like this topic needs to stick around towards the top as evidence of why that doesn't work.

"If you want more engaging content, go play Healer"

"If you want less engaging content, go play Healer"

Then its time for "Redo of Healer"

ok all seriousness...

hmm

Remove 1 healer from the 8 party makeup and replace it with another DPS.

8 party makeup now with only one 1 healer, increase healer responsibilities and adjust their abilities to accommodate the loss of the 2nd healer.

Solo healer runs has been done ever since ARR. The only difference is that healers in ARR have a more defined and thought out DPS rotations they can do when no healing is needed at any given time.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Then its time for "Redo of Healer"

ok all seriousness...

hmm

Remove 1 healer from the 8 party makeup and replace it with another DPS.

8 party makeup now with only one 1 healer, increase healer responsibilities and adjust their abilities to accommodate the loss of the 2nd healer.

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Honestly I'd be okay with this. It doesn't solve a lot of the issues but solo healing Savage is totally doable AND makes it more interesting, it's by far the most fun I've had in Savage fights.