Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Newsflash to all tanks: Tenacity increases your damage as well, stop wearing slaying accessories, kthxbai.

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From what I've heard on the subject...
The returns are miniscule.

I think I even heard someone say it was worse than parry...
And that's bad.





On topic.

Got in Haukke Manor for leveling on my bard.
Had a sprout conjurer who wasn't doing any damage at all, and healing the tank when he was still full, sometimes idling during pulls.


Between pulls I typed out a message, There's no need to cast a heal when no one is hurt, you can pout your dots on enemies when no one's hurt. ;P

They started doing dps, and on the first boss commented that it wasn't so boring anymore XD

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Originally Posted by Rasylia

Lvl65 dungeon Bardum Run dropps 276 Gear
He was equipped with an overall ~267 Gear. If melded, with even better stats.
So, he was at max 9 ILVL behind the maximum he could have. That's not much.

When i ran Doma Castle, i had a mix of 262 HQ gear and 265 dungeon gear equipped. The run was absolutely smooth, with the healer even dps-ing.
I honestly don't see why he shouldnt be able to finish the dungeon in 267 gear.
Especially, since you *could* have stopped dps-ing and full time heal instead... but refused. *points at your screenshot above*

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This. And thanks for posting it.

If this is the kind of healer I can look forward to in SB, where before I can queue as a tank, I need to have maxed the gear from the immediately previous dungeon (figure 10-15 runs, minimum), then this game looks to be a lot less fun than it used to be.

No idea how a tank can be average 9 iLvl below max possible for the content they are running and their healer can't keep up.

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Originally Posted by Sieben79

I think you're right. I shouldn't play any healer class anymore :(

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With the elitist "will only heal a tank who is perfectly max geared for whatever dungeon I am in" attitude? No, you shouldn't play a healer anymore.

Newsflash - I tank for undergeared, lazy, PotD_4ever ignorant DPS and heals all the freaking time in DF randoms. I also get badass heals, steamroller DPS in randoms. I need the gear/tomestones/experience, so I tank fr either. Roulette means not picking and choosing who you get, but making the best of the group that gets dropped on you. Either quit healing, or stay out DF and go make your "only max possible iLvl tanks need apply" PF listing.

Managed to sit through my 78 minute DPS queue for expert this morning. It was well worth it. I think I might have found the cutest Lala I've ever seen. A little Red Mage in the AF gear. I wanted to turn him into a plushie. XD

Sadly I did not think to take a screenshot, but it made my queue rage abate the instant I saw him, so it worked out in the end.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I see "not giving a damn" as "being a jerk".
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I cant give him a rotation of his job, because I only have a lvl 60 dragoon which I havent touched yet in SB.

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You believed the dragoon was being a jerk, because you believed that he was "not giving a damn". In retaliation, you went out of your way to use an improper rotation and critisize the dragoon to the point that the part fell apart... despite not actually knowing anything about the class.

That is why you were being a jerk. It's stuff like this that prevents DPS meters from being added to the game. I'd would have tried to kick you. There are plenty of DPS in the queue who aren't jerks

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

This community really is glorious sometimes.


I tell the DRG to put effort.


I still dont care. I'd rather lose some time than being the only one who puts effort.

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sigh...sometimes this thread is freakin poison. As this post shows, it brings out the worse in people.

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Originally Posted by winsock

You believed the dragoon was being a jerk, because you believed that he was "not giving a damn". In retaliation, you went out of your way to use an improper rotation and critisize the dragoon to the point that the part fell apart... despite not actually knowing anything about the class.

That is why you were being a jerk. It's stuff like this that prevents DPS meters from being added to the game. I'd would have tried to kick you. There are plenty of DPS in the queue who aren't jerks

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^^^

If I was tanking with her in the group, I would have initiated the kick myself

Yesterday I unlocked Susano Normal Mode, and went on DF to clear it. After the second wipe, the tanks began some DEAD SERIOUS argument over who should be MT and who should be OT. (basically, the current OT didn't know how to absorb the purple balls, and the MT "kindly" suggested they switch roles)

The name-calling ensued, we took 5 minutes to pull and they CONTINUED arguing and telling each other all the nice ways they would treat each other's mom.

So I started to weave in my rotations the entire lyrics to "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" from the Lion King Disney movie, in all caps and some emotes thrown in.
We cleared the boss. I got 5 comms as a DPS. It was a good day :D

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

Newsflash to all tanks: Tenacity increases your damage as well, stop wearing slaying accessories, kthxbai.

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Uh this isn't really a newsflash, most tanks are aware of this, Tenacity looks to be completely worthless and not worth the time - on a level worse than Parry. There's a reason those tanks are wearing Slaying gear, and if that reason isn't fixed eventually enmity will become an issue.

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Originally Posted by winsock

That is why you were being a jerk.

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We don't have the full context here, so it is hard to make a fully informed opinion, but can you really blame Faliandra for not wanting to do the work of 2-2.5 people (carrying the DPS of both damage dealers and the healer's potential DPS)?

Maybe it could have been handled better, but that seems like a pretty undeniably frustrating situation.

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Originally Posted by winsock

You believed the dragoon was being a jerk, because you believed that he was "not giving a damn". In retaliation, you went out of your way to use an improper rotation and critisize the dragoon to the point that the part fell apart... despite not actually knowing anything about the class.

That is why you were being a jerk. It's stuff like this that prevents DPS meters from being added to the game. I'd would have tried to kick you. There are plenty of DPS in the queue who aren't jerks

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I know numbers, and I know when theyre "meh", when theyre "decent", when theyre "wow" and when theyre straight out ABYSMAL. This dragoon was straight out ABYSMAL.
Without knowing anything about the SB dragoon, I promise you I would do better after taking a couple of minutes of figuring out my skills. Heck, no. Even a simple 1-2-3 rotation would most likely do more than what he did. Anyone couldve beaten that dragoon.
I did twice his amount of damage on lvl 60 as a drg and I dont even main it. So if that makes me the jerk for knowing that this person didnt bother more than pushing 1-2 buttons, I'll gladly be the jerk.
I also didnt make the party fall apart. I went to the same lvl as the dragoon and we still killed everything. It just took very long. But hey, you people always says it doesnt matter if the dungeon takes a few minutes more as
long as you clear. Boom. Thats what you got. Oh? Suddenly it isnt good enough for you anymore that I'm not carrying you? Welp. Too bad. I'm sure the next DPS will carry you.

As for the kicking part...Yes. Please always do. I will always appreciate a free penalty-free kick out of any abysmal party.

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Originally Posted by Annah

sigh...sometimes this thread is freakin poison. As this post shows, it brings out the worse in people.

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You have a weird definition of "toxic" or "poison" when me wanting everyone to equally pull his weight in a TEAM-ORIENTED game is toxic.
If someone else gets a free pass for slacking...why cant I? That dragoon couldve done QUITE a bit better if he HAD WANTED.

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Originally Posted by Annah

^^^

If I was tanking with her in the group, I would have initiated the kick myself

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I'll thankfully take that penalty-free kick out of hell! ^^

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Originally Posted by missybee

We don't have the full context here, so it is hard to make a fully informed opinion, but can you really blame Faliandra for not wanting to do the work of 2-2.5 people (carrying the DPS of both damage dealers and the healer's potential DPS)?

Maybe it could have been handled better, but that seems like a pretty undeniably frustrating situation.

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And thats exactly my point. Why should I do all the work for everyone else? And why are some people calling this attitude toxic?
I'm not expecting top dps, but theres a point where no one can justify his low dps anymore.