Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Migosha

(Sorry for two posts, but that 1000 caracters' limitation is killing me >.<)

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You can go over 1,000 in one post by using the "Edit Post". It's a workaround at best, but efficient enough.

Just post what fits, then add the rest. I type mine all out then just cut/post/edit/paste, when it is needed.

I tested 463 accuracy, did not miss at T5 at all.

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Originally Posted by Migosha

(Sorry for two posts, but that 1000 caracters' limitation is killing me >.<)

A quick look at the list would make me swap Allagan Ring of striking instead of maiming (+5 ACC) and AF gloves instead of Allagan gloves (-15 ACC) for a final -10 ACC. And you can switch back those two items if you want the 482 ACC.
Someone using a script for BiS determination will probably get a lil better result than me. It's a 1.743 score gain in the end with current weights. So roughly a 0.9 DPS gain. No need to say that it won't change the world ;)

So it should be something like :

Allagan Spear
Wyrm's Armet
Wyrm's mail
Wyrm's Gauntlets
Hero's belt of maiming
Wyrm's Breeches
Wyrm's Greaves
Hero's necklace of Slaying
Hero's earrings of slaying
Infernal Flames
Hero's Braclet of Slaying
Allagan ring of striking
Vortex Attacker

Everything in this list is from Myth except 2 rings and a Bracer.

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you got 2 bracelets on

With lower Accuracy Requirement. We can wear more stronger pieces. This discussion is heating up. Can't wait to see the final BIS List.

Could someone with the calculations check the gear sets if Skill Speed is completely ignored in the stat weights / item budget weights?

I'm curious to see what changes, if any, would occur and what skill speed would be given just by default with those different gear choices.

Thanks.

I wonder what the final list is

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Originally Posted by Migosha

In the other topic the person was talking about dragons and snakes from start of the Turn

If it's only for trashes it's pretty irrelevant to go for 482 as BiS. If it's for Twintania's adds (or any boss adds) then I would just have a piece to swap for that battle to get those 482 ACC. I wouldn't etablish a BiS list where the ACC is made for 0.5% of the content and a loss of stat 99.5% of the rest, I guess that's what you meant in an ealier topic Ayvar.
I'll see how those 10 ACC too much from the BiS list can be remployed to gain some stats. I know those 10 stats won't change anything, it's more for the principle.

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If they were referring to the wyverns and snakes then that is wrong, I've done hours on both of those mobs and haven't missed with 473. My 80min parse even includes the 3 wyverns from the start in the mob list.

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Originally Posted by snowybell

I tested 463 accuracy, did not miss at T5 at all.

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Please post a parse for any specific accuracy numbers (and that you're actually playing a Dragoon), it's not that I don't believe you, but we do want some evidence to back this up. The 482 cap got around through word of mouth with nothing to back it up, and we want to avoid that same mistake. I feel I've sufficiently confirmed that at least 473 is fine, so if you could run a nonstop parse for as long as you can and post a shot that includes your job, names of mobs hit, duration of the parse, damage done, and percent misses.

EDIT - Dug up my old post and the parse @ 473, here it is:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1543456

http://i.imgur.com/xsFya52.png

I agree 482 seems too high and wastes stats. Even though I have no proof of any parser or anything, I can tell I have never missed in T5 in all my attempts with 472 accuracy (463+food) since it would be really noticeable (missing combos, debuffs, buffs). And even in the case you miss with that amount of accuracy, the chance is so low that it is probably not worth it having.

I personally aim for 472, but lower might be possible, and this is the BiS I get with 472.

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Score: 658.635
Weapon: Allagan Spear
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming
Helmet: Wyrm's Armet
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Wyrm's Breeches
Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming
Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying
Earrings: Hero's Earring Of Slaying
Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking
Ring1: Vortex Ring Of Striking
Ring2: Allagan Ring Of Striking
Food: Hq Deviled Eggs

Weapon Damage: 47
Strength: 224
Vitality: 194
Critical: 139
Accuracy: 131
Skill Speed: 72
Determination: 101

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With 463 acc I get scores of 660, and with 482 i get 656, and according to EMX 2 points = 1 dps so it is really not noticeable nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by zeth07

Could someone with the calculations check the gear sets if Skill Speed is completely ignored in the stat weights / item budget weights?

I'm curious to see what changes, if any, would occur and what skill speed would be given just by default with those different gear choices.

Thanks.

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This is what I get and seems quite good if you don't like SS at all I guess.

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Score: 658.093
Weapon: Allagan Spear
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming
Helmet: Allagan Visor Of Maiming
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Allagan Trousers Of Maiming
Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming
Neck: Allagan Choker Of Maiming
Earrings: Tremor Earrings Of Striking
Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking
Ring1: Allagan Ring Of Striking
Ring2: Vortex Ring Of Striking
Food: Hq Deviled Eggs

Weapon Damage: 47
Strength: 224
Vitality: 194
Critical: 143
Accuracy: 133
Skill Speed: 27
Determination: 129

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Correct me if I am wrong with anything.

Hey man. I understand where you are coming from. What app is that BTW? I use ffxivapp and it\\'s not that detailed. But it does show accuracy as 100% in a 30 min run. I have shots of those. And my dragoon is the only character that can do t5. I\\'ll post some results after I find out what you are using.

If anyone is interested in the accuracy cap for all 3 extreme primals it is somewhere as low as 447. I did not miss once after hours of Garuda, Titan and Ifrit.

At least 2 hours of each extreme primal and 0 misses @ 447 accuracy, my accuracy was only that low due to recently getting the Allagan spear and still having never seen the Allagan pants or purchased myth helm.

Going to push my luck Monday and try t1-5 with 468 accuracy with food and see how that goes lol, I've recorded 0 misses @ 475 through all phases of Twintania so it should be interesting.