Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

Ran my daily as a black mage got Copperbell (not surprised anymore) and out tank is a Lala dark knight who greets herself as our "most loyal and amazing potato tank". This led the entire run of myself, heals and tank all making food jokes and most likely confusing the newbie rouge.

Was a really fun dungeon crawl.... shame it ended so fast.

A5. I rolled 80+ on everything. And I lost everything ;_;

I seriously need to get this off my chest even though it happened a few days ago. I was tempted to make a new thread but I hope it's seen here. I took up a Mentor title not only because I play everything, but because I like helping people that need it or want it. And in a sense, I try my best to consider Mentor Roulette as my "on duty" time: that is to say I make sure to explain everything as needed instead of sitting back and being complacent like I'm prone to doing.

However, I landed in Void Ark a few days ago. I knew this was a possibility, but I still found it amusing that my Mentor Roulette placed me there. I kind of figured that unless things were going off I wouldn't have to do much, just run it and cross my fingers for the minion. Then towards the end of the Cetus battle, I noticed one of the dps asking about a healer's gear set. The healer suspiciously kept denying it, but they had on, minus one ilvl 220 hat, a gatherer's outfit. Not glamoured, but the actual gear. As in, this healer was sitting at about 5k HP. Accessories-wise, a mix of casting and healing pieces. I wanted to chime in and suggest maybe throwing on something else or running this at another time, but the dps was actually kind of insistent with asking the healer to change gear "before you get kicked". I wouldn't really have uttered those last words, but still, it's pretty problematic when your healer can get almost one-shot by room-wide attacks. Occasionally I'd see their HP jump and check: the suggestion was being noted, but apparently the healer didn't acquire much in the way of better gear: mostly 2.x lvl 50 gear. After another plea from the dps, a vote kick was initiated on him for harrassment. I voted no, but the kick went through. The rest of the run I felt like a failure as a mentor. I said literally nothing the whole run. I just watched in shock as this whole debacle played out.

So... bottom line, what would you do? This healer was making honest attempts to do his job at healer, resurrecting players as needed, but severely undergeared. IMO it's not hard to just get the gear you need before queuing for an instance, but I'm not sure what makes people try to cheese the item level restrictions like this. I guess in hindsight I could see the call for harrassment considering how insistent this player was, but it's not like he was being mean or threatening about it.

VA is ilvl 175 xD

Can you even get that high with just gathering gear?! Even with a few other pieces mixed in that's kind of impressive they got into the raid in the first place. Anywho, don't feel bad. You did nothing wrong mate. I'm pretty sure what you saw was someone trying to take advantage of the fact that in raids, it's hard to pay attention to everyone. He was trying to cheese through the raid. Either he was hoping to collect the gear in it because he didn't properly prepare before or he was trying to spiritbond with his gatherers gear so he could convert it for materia.

Either one is no excuse that justifies an entire raid to carry them through VA.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

So... bottom line, what would you do?

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I would have gladly voted for kicking them and never looked back. But then again, I'm one of those horrible people who cannot abide freeloaders, and who refuses to carry someone. I will gladly overlook a lack of gear on someone who knows their job and makes a genuine effort, but I have my limits, and gathering gear in an ilvl 175 raid is way beyond those limits. It's most likely that that healer did have a proper healing set, which they equipped to queue for VA in the first place, then switched to the trash you saw, and I'd agree that it sounds like a spiritbonding attempt... a very stupid attempt. Either way, they were clearly taking advantage of everyone else, and being carried.

In other news, Hullbreaker Isle HM as BLM for Expert Roulette today. Tank is a PLD... with 15k-odd HP. Which is less than the WHM's 16k+. I wasn't even sure how that was possible, but on the very first pull with the raptors, PLD's HP was falling to ~5k, yet I saw no cooldowns being popped. It wasn't until after the first boss that I remembered, and decided to check PLD's gear.

Yup. Slaying accessories. In 3.3. Because Fending accessories are too expensive, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Miste

You also made assumptions about me right in your posts. I did not assume what a mentor is. I know what a mentor is which is why I tried many times to get the tank to stop and to listen to what I was saying. I feel bad that the other DPS had to wait for a new healer but in my eyes this was the tank's fault for completely ignoring their healer who was struggling because they wouldn't stop or listen. Completely ignored me the whole time I was there.

You assume I am not patient. I have mentored players through EX primals which is a lot more difficult than a level 44 dungeon. You wanna know why I was successful? They gave me time to type out and explain mechanics and tried their best to listen.

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Only just seeing this now ^^;
Yes, I made some assumptions, I apologize for making the worst assumptions, but I'm curious as to why you choose to leave the instance instead of just kicking the problem (the tank). I'm pretty sure no matter what, those DPS will have to suffer with that tank if they stayed. You may have wanted to avoid the long queue for a new tank, but if what you said about that tank was true, he's simply not going to get through no matter what without an entire team carrying him. So if the DPS were new, they would have to wait for a long queue regardless. If they weren't, well then, I'm pretty sure they definitely would of agreed to kick the tank... But either way, I don't blame you for wanting to leave. Bad tanks are nightmares, I know as a tank myself, healer and DPS.

Now, I did say, "seems like you didn't really give the necessary info to the party as well. Maybe you did and just didn't mention it", which is the case. I've run into "mentors" who leave immediately upon entering a dungeon because "they don't want to do it". I've run into "mentors" who get hit by every single AoE mechanic in a trial. I'm not saying all are bad, but some definitely are. We have impatient mentor's who yell at newbies the first time their in the trial/dungeon for failing mechanics... I can't tell you how many "mentors" I saw yelling at people the 1st day the new patch came out on final steps. I've also run into some very good mentors as well as I go through dungeons. So I am sorry for making assumptions, but I have seen 70% bad mentor behavior and about 30% good whenever I'm with them. At least while in dungeons/trials. I know you can give advice through the novice network as well, but that's not something the rest of the public can see/view.

I'm not saying you are a bad or good mentor. My original post was pointing at the fact that in a mentor roulette, I would immediately state some things. I am not a mentor however, so I'm not going to say "I would of done it better". I'm sure the end result would of been the same based on the info you provided in your last post. I simply didn't know prior though and without that info, I'm not going to automatically assume you (as the experienced player) are automatically in the right. I mean heck, just reading half of the posts here in this topic you see some people who think that a DPS not maximizing their rotation are the spawn of satan.
I apologize for making an assumption and after your last post, I think you were more than justified to leave. Also the "thicker skin" part was not at all pointed towards you specifically. I meant that as a general statement about mentors.

@Ninster

It surprises me what said. VA has minimum requirement to enter

You sure the healer didnt have broken gears as opposed to low geared?even with min. Requirement you would above that 5k hp. It surprises me... just wondering is all

Yesterday I queued for mentor roulette and got Hullbreaker HM. Nobody was new. Few problems but the DRK was weirdly squishy, he'd be okay then his health would drop by half. On one of those occasions I was in cleric stance dpsing, and didn't switch out in time. He died and while I raised him, another dps died. Managed to save the other dps with lustrates, got the tank up and healed, and the other dps returned. It was weird, I'd just roused my fairy...I don't know if he was standing in stuff or what. I've healed that dungeon just fine with a DRK before and it was a super fast, clean run. Also, the DRK never turned on darkside for the whole run.

For my expert roulette I tanked it and got a scholar who didn't put out a single DOT for the entire run. At least the dps were great, and I figured since the SCH was going to go healbot, I'd run Deliverance as much as possible. Worked out pretty well.

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@Ninster

It surprises me what said. VA has minimum requirement to enter

You sure the healer didnt have broken gears as opposed to low geared?even with min. Requirement you would above that 5k hp. It surprises me... just wondering is all

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Once inside a instance, you can change your gear to anything your current job can equip. Ninster mentioned that the dps calling said healer out noticed they were in gathering gear which as others have pointed out, chances are they had a proper set equipped to enter the raid and then swapped to a gathering set once inside.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

I would have gladly voted for kicking them and never looked back. But then again, I'm one of those horrible people who cannot abide freeloaders, and who refuses to carry someone. I will gladly overlook a lack of gear on someone who knows their job and makes a genuine effort, but I have my limits, and gathering gear in an ilvl 175 raid is way beyond those limits. It's most likely that that healer did have a proper healing set, which they equipped to queue for VA in the first place, then switched to the trash you saw. Either way, they were clearly taking advantage of everyone else, and being carried.

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I agree with everything said here. When you enter a dungeon, expect to perform your role and not be carried. Repair your gear, participate in battle, or expect consequences. Gathering gear gives you no VIT, no main stat, nothing.This healer's magic potency would have been massively reduced, putting more strain on the other healer. Granted, it's void ark, but it's still not fair for one person to be doing all the work so the other doesn't have to.

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So... bottom line, what would you do? This healer was making honest attempts to do his job at healer, resurrecting players as needed, but severely undergeared. IMO it's not hard to just get the gear you need before queuing for an instance, but I'm not sure what makes people try to cheese the item level restrictions like this.

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I have noticed that there are players who genuinely do not know how stats and equipment work in this game. They'll put on gear for aesthetic purposes, and not consider the benefits of stats, or they look at item level and not relevant stats as it pertains to their job.

I would like to think that an average player would be able to read the description on abilities and stats and connect the dots, but there is a surprising amount of players that seem incapable of doing so. I honestly don't know how to help those type of players out.

Okay so Ifrit HM & we get a DRG, not new, that like....spammed the twirly thing. He'd use Heavy Thrust then just twirl away. He even used Chaos Thrust once. Not the combo, the one attack. And when adds came out he stuck to the boss like glud BUT he used the twirly thing so at least he hit the nail behind Ifrit :D


It was just a weird experience...like I've never seen someone that clueless(?), I pray he was trolling. But it is kinda unfair we carried him through the trial <.< I think everyone should be giving 100% effort & I abhor carries even if it's just something easy like Ifrit HM.

Tuesday morning so obviously doing Weeping City. We make it through the first boss just fine. Rolling up to the second boss and notice Alliance A was down their tank and a healer. Replacements show up but not caught up and Alliance C tank pulls boss. We try to finish the fight but wipe at the 3 mob add phase. Immediately, somebody starts abandon poll. Thankfully the vote fails and people are telling whoever started the vote to just leave. Finally full squad and try again. Whoever was tanking middle mob of same phase turned mob away so tail was destroying us. Wipe and another abandon vote. Still no. Quickly inform tank to face mob toward party and we clear. Rest of the duty was wipe-free. I'm so happy everybody didn't hop onto the elitists "one wipe and abandon" bandwagon.

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@Ninster

It surprises me what said. VA has minimum requirement to enter

You sure the healer didnt have broken gears as opposed to low geared?even with min. Requirement you would above that 5k hp. It surprises me... just wondering is all

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First off, the healer really didn't catch my attention until after the Cetus fight, so there's no telling what he or she came in with. Second, yes I actually hit Examine on the healer. I actually described the gear pieces I saw.

Next, the appalling part to me, and perhaps what I feel most guilty about, is the dps got kicked for speaking up. Even with my voting no. So either it was a partial premade or.... people really didn't pay attention and hit Yes without a thought. As much as I wanted to initiate a kick on my own, I'm not the type to start drama and I suspect if this WAS a premade it would just result in me getting booted.

Was running leveling roulette on the early days of Heavensward, just unlocked Machinist since it was the one job that interested me in the expansion. Got into Brayflox normal, started to do the dungeon normally, no problems at all. Then suddenly, out of nowhere, I got kicked. No reason given. There wasn't even any chatting at all during the dungeon. I've heard people say that they've been kicked from dungeons for just being a Machinist. I think the same thing happened to me.

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First off, the healer really didn't catch my attention until after the Cetus fight, so there's no telling what he or she came in with. Second, yes I actually hit Examine on the healer. I actually described the gear pieces I saw.

Next, the appalling part to me, and perhaps what I feel most guilty about, is the dps got kicked for speaking up. Even with my voting no. So either it was a partial premade or.... people really didn't pay attention and hit Yes without a thought. As much as I wanted to initiate a kick on my own, I'm not the type to start drama and I suspect if this WAS a premade it would just result in me getting booted.

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for the kick I agree, but as you know, you dont need any reasons, worse valid reason, to kick anyone..and (not saying is your case here) many dont speak up because they dont want to be kicked and prefer to go with the *good side*...yeah..so I want to believe (I know I live with too high hopes) the healer had broken gears.

Yesterday I joined a Level 60 Roulette on my Paladin. Twas an 'In Progress' {Lost City of Amdapor Hard Mode}. The previous Tank had left within the first 7 minutes; usually not a good sign but I don't like to rush to judgement.


Upon pulling six mobs at once the healer asks me "Why are you taking so much damage? I thought Paladins were supposed to be stronger." I'm pretty surprised by this comment. I'm 60 ilvl's higher than the dungeons recommended average. 14k more HP than I'm supposed to have. And this dungeon doesn't gear or level sync you. He couldn't have received a more prepared and over-geared Tank.


I say "I'm i240, I have 28k hp, and I'm staggering cool downs in Shield Oath. Don't blame the Tank." I haven't been hit by a single AoE, I used an HQ Steamed Staff, and at this point I realize I could solo these pulls with Clemency if I really wanted to. The Healer decides to /check my gear and lol's at how I've melded all of it with Crit V's and Det V's. I ask him if he would prefer I melded everything with Parry. He says "Yes. I like my Tanks as defensive as possible." /sigh


So maybe he's just uninformed. The discussion goes back and forth on why Crit is superior to Parry and it finally gets to the point where I realize he just wants to remain ignorant. Never having met such an ungrateful and whiny healer before, I finally tell him "I can solo heal these fights myself." And thus the last boss comes along and the healer decides to lock himself out of the fight. My plan succeeds ♪. I only use Clemency three times. Two of them were on DPS that stood too close to the proxy AoE's.


Upon the bosses defeat, I had but only one regret. That the healer left the dungeon so fast that I couldn't even commend him. /sarcasm.

Queued Wiping City last night, since last week's attempt to get my weekly on Monday night was a bust. First group couldn't get passed the 2nd boss. Vote Abandon initiates, passes, I re-queue and an in-progress instantly pops (DPS). Last boss! Cleared in 1 attempt, though I'm not sure how many attempts were made prior to my pop. I'll take it! \o/

Weeping City yesterday was way too smooth. I went in as a PLD, everyone said greetings and off we go. I checked the other two tanks, and yup 2 WARs ! The run was wipeless and everyone were on points. Best Weeping City ever and I got to MT the whole run ! Since usually most raid I went into DRK was mt-ing the whole run, while I put on Sword Oath and DPS. XD

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A5. I rolled 80+ on everything. And I lost everything ;_;

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Thanks Obama.

*Dungeon DF begins*

New Player: "Hi I am new to the place. Can you please explain boss fights to me?"

*Tank instant quits the dungeon*

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and this is one reason why Tank player base has a bag reputation. The tank Players who only play Tank Job for instant queues and rushing through content never bothering to help new players because "F**** New Players! I get Instant queue as a Tank and want to get things done now!" attitude certain Tank Players have.

Had a cringe-worthy expert roulette last night. Sohr Khai. Me (DRK), BLM (actually a friend queued with me but he doesn't play BLM very often anymore), SCH, and MNK. Immediately I notice the DPS is pretty slow. Mobs taking a long time to die. BLM has a lot more hate on anything than the MNK and SCH isn't DPSing in the slightest. But I didn't say anything because a) My tank DPS isn't the most fab in the world either and b) I'm not a jerk.

Then BLM-friend pulls a mob before I can get to it because he wants to keep enochian. Normally I wouldn't have a problem with that, but it's the annoying fan right before the three sleeping rocks, so now we have a dead fan right in the middle of our rock mobs which are all pushing each other out of the way to get to me, causing me to have to move the mobs way out of the way to get their backs clear for the MNK so he doesn't keep repeatedly flying off... This is when I started to feel like :/ *grumble*

First boss went down okay, if slowly, although I didn't have a single cooldown left at the end (not even Living Dead) because my HP was hovering veryyyy low due to lack of heals. (No, I didn't get hit by the Vuln down, thankfully, or we all would have died.) We make it through the trash before the second boss okay and the DPS actually felt like it sped up a little, so I was thinking things were fine. Second boss... For some reason MNK is in Fists of Wind and forgets to switch it out for Fists of Fire. I should have said something, but at this point I kind of had a morbid fascination to see this stuff unfold. Second boss takes a good long while but at least we don't wipe.

Finally we make it to the last boss, and I was like "Apologies in advance, this fight is a lot of stupid jumping around." Sucks for everyone, seems like it would especially suck for MNK and BLM. We start, it's going okay-ish. Then the MNK goes from alive to 110% dead just like that (ice ball and giant sky laser and no heals one after another?) and not long after I follow because no Adlo, no Physick, not even a Whispering Dawn thrown my way... I get raised, provoke boss immediately, healer dies to not dodging ice or dragon head after not healing herself. Wipe #1. I don't want to call anyone out, I know this can be a pain to heal when you're trying to keep everyone in range, etc. So we start again with nothing said. Healer doesn't dodge anything, doesn't heal herself, dies again. Wipe #2. This time I go "Well, let's try to dodge a bit more! XD" BLM does the very opposite of dodging and fails to get out of the way of Hraesvelgr's first charge (*facepalm* I don't know this guy, I swear >_>), leaving me with one DPS and a healer who is not DPSing at all. There is no way that we can kill it before we run out of pillars to stand on, especially because this MNK seems like nice guy but his DPS... is abysmal. Like I was keeping up the Delirium debuff on the boss 100% of the time because the MNK never once used Dragonkick level of bad. On the fourth try, we FINALLY clear. After we get out, BLM friend (who was parsing to try to improve his own DPS) informs me that the MNK did less DPS than me, the tank with Grit on.

TT^TT 45 minutes of my life I will never get back!

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

*Dungeon DF begins*

New Player: "Hi I am new to the place. Can you please explain boss fights to me?"

*Tank instant quits the dungeon*

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and this is one reason why Tank player base has a bag reputation. The tank Players who only play Tank Job for instant queues and rushing through content never bothering to help new players because "F**** New Players! I get Instant queue as a Tank and want to get things done now!" attitude certain Tank Players have.

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Hell with them, man. I say "thank you for your bonus," explain all the fights, and do a ready check for good measure.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, one of the tanks during Main Scenario was new and everyone was just like, "Cool, watch the cutscenes. We're gonna dance!" It was really fun. Before the fight with Gaius, everyone was emoting at him and the MCN accidentally shot him.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

*Dungeon DF begins*

New Player: "Hi I am new to the place. Can you please explain boss fights to me?"

*Tank instant quits the dungeon*

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and this is one reason why Tank player base has a bag reputation. The tank Players who only play Tank Job for instant queues and rushing through content never bothering to help new players because "F**** New Players! I get Instant queue as a Tank and want to get things done now!" attitude certain Tank Players have.

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Same thing happened to me on Ravana Hard. One person asked for a brief rundown as he admitted to not having done the fight in a long time while at least two others were new. Tank chimes in with "dodge the aoes!" and immediately pulls. What irritated me though is one of those players was the OT, who didn't realize Ravana will spam attack him, so he kept cleaving them into me I presume to "dodge". That's fine, he didn't know. But the healer wouldn't revive me or another player-- instead tunnel visioning the MT despite having plenty of opportunities where he had full HP. Great first experience that was for me.

We did still clear, but two people were knocked off and two dead, all because the MT couldn't wait a minute for people to explain the fight.

I just had the most amazing healer in Ex roul, my friend and I were basically just going "this is brutal" in our linkshell.
Caster body dropped at the end. Healer asks if they can have it.

I rolled need on it before they said that, assuming it was an upgrade, and say so in party chat. Get the coat. Leave duty. Try to put on my upgrade.

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I forgot I got the Yafaemi Coat of Casting last week.

I;M SO SORRY

Had a tank who thought grabbing too many mobs and then "kiting" them was a viable option.


Also, people who haven't gotten their jobs yet in high level content. (Saw a 56 CNJ this afternoon)

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Had a tank who thought grabbing too many mobs and then "kiting" them was a viable option.


Also, people who haven't gotten their jobs yet in high level content. (Saw a 56 CNJ this afternoon)

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My friend was in bismark with a level 57 Gladiator once ._.

And kiting actually does work as a last resort ._. I've had to do it before when I (as a PLD) ran out of ALL my CD's due to low DPS. Avoiding 1 or 2 hits every few seconds can actually be the difference between living and dying sometimes. But granted, if you got melee DPS, this becomes a nightmare for them, but if you get to the point where kiting is needed, then your DPS already failed you and this is merely payback imo :P

When MNK, DRG and x2 blm couldn't kill add fast enough after 30 min try in niddhogg trial.

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There were far worse back in 2.0 before SE set up the "quit punishment and Vote Kick" and after as well.

I actually had some Tank players back in 2.X hold the entire group hostage because he did not want to run a dungeon with a new player as he said his "time was more valuable to deal with this **** new player" so he told us to kick him so he does not have to suffer the time penalty for quiting. Some Tanks did completely nothing when they saw a new player and said nothing so the group assumed he/she was AFK but in reality he/she was just sitting there hoping we would kick them for being AFK to avoid the Time punishment.

There was also the time when a Tank actually told us to Vote Kick the New Player because he was new.

I.. what.. how? ;w;

So I decided to queue up for A8 to gear my mnk a little more since I'm pretty much halfway through upgraded lore and can't really do much else about my main and I noticed I tend to get higher rolls on my mnk lol My mnk's about i218ish. So, get in, no new person message. We proceed to wipe to enrage. I check everyone's gear to see if we're all just undergeared. Everyone is mostly in lore gear/upgraded lore, so they'd have to be at least i230. Here's where it gets worse. Me, as my i218 mnk, am able to kill an add and a half solo before the rest of the pt gets one down... -.-

So, people start explaining things, thinking maybe someone isn't new, but they just got carried, seeing as there was no new person message. Everyone gets it, we go in again. Two adds still up when they blow up, still soloing 1 1/2 adds... Blm died to nearly every mechanic, almost like they stood in everything. Healer kept running from us with the stack then running to only 2 people, killing everyone under it. Tanks died each swap. Wiped to enrage again. Vote abandon.

TAKE NOTE SE! This right here, is a prime example of why we don't need a level skip option. People who have somehow cleared the content(most likely carried) and are well overgeared for it, still can't do it.

I had Steps of Faith in Trial roulette. I call dragonkillers, and onto the first one when the opportunity arose. THEN I notice the tortoise is following me up the stairs! I didn't attack it, aggro it, or do anything to even create hate in any way. I was just dpsing Vishap as a bard and when the first cannons fell I ran up the tower.

I explained to my party it wasn't easy being a lalafell because apparently the tortoises are out to get me as well. I used the opportunity to make a joke for myself and entertain my party at least (Because we all love Steps of Faith 2.x for trial roulette)

A Stone Vigil run. Normal, nothing fancy here or anything. A Paladin, Monk, Scholar, and myself as Bard. First thing I note, on any dungeon run, is level sync. I'm the only one not synced, which I typically take to mean everyone else has probably been here before, probably know what they're doing.

After the first pull, I have to remind tank to Shield Oath. I can maybe let it slide; being synced maybe dropped his stance or something before starting. Maybe.
But I notice, on that first pull, and most pulls after, I'm not really pushing myself hard, but still ripping a lot of aggro. Ok, maybe my DoTs are just burning big, making it easy for me to catch up on enmity. Maybe.
But tank also does a lot of stalling before most pulls. Nobody seemed upset by this, amazingly. Considering some personalities we've all seen, I nearly expected some abandons or vote kicks or anything. But no, we're pretty cool with just taking a few breathers from time to time. I'm a patient guy, I don't really mind, just a little strange.
I didn't really follow the Monk very much, but seemed competent enough. Scholar was a Scholar. Saw some Miasmas going out, but didn't notice much else. Got the impression of focusing mostly on healing, maybe coulda pumped out some damage too, but I won't complain.

Chudo-Yudo thankfully doesn't Swinge very much, because nobody seemed to really follow that mechanic. Maybe Adlo pulled its weight on that one.
Koshchei, and now I'm getting suspicious. Tank keeps him dead center, right in front of one cannon. Ehhh, ok, sure. I'll just stand on one side, and assume I can count on Scholar to man the other side. Isgebind shows up at Scholar's cannon, aaand, nothing. I have to break off and go shoot him down, we take a few hits from him while I suffer some interruptions. But maybe everyone forgot. Reminded, maybe I can go back to the other cannon just in case. Nnnope. Shows up at the same cannon, and again I have to take care of it. Mind you, this entire battle is taking place right in front of the cannons, anybody could've taken a moment for this.
Through all of this, nobody is saying anything. Nobody is bothered by the slow run. Nobody is checking fight mechanics, or asking for reminders. I take the silence to mean either they're all friends and don't need to chat, or just nobody is all that worried.
Isgebind fight, and it's just as much a mess as the others. None of them seem to notice the big arena swipes, not really in any hurry to get out of the way. Somehow, and I can only assume through Scholar OP, nobody dies.
But holy hell, that was surely the sloppiest, laziest run I have ever seen.

Level 60 duty roulette. Got research facity, which was fine ( more esos), what WASNT fine was the WAR and DRG that I got.

WAR was super sqiushy, popped no CDs and had me spamming physick like it was nobodies business. It honestly reminded me of strength tanks who didn't know how to mitigate. I barely had a chance to go into cleric stance for more than 10 seconds before the tank was dying. DRGs dps on the other hand was non existent. The BRD in our party was kind enough to sing foe's requiem for me whenever she had the chance (bless her soul).

run took more than 50 minutes :(

I had three new members that refused help in Qurn. They bullied, and laughed at me when I simply offered them advice. The paladin wasn't shield lobbing, the white mage wasn't using medica, stoneskin (Final Sting) or regen, and the other DPS wasn't attacking the golems soul stone. To make it worse, we died several times during doom, but no my advice was "annoying" to them. I smiled, tried to be reassuring the whole time, and was patient for every wipe. Finally, when they asked me what the right order of tablets were, I said "apparently you don't need my advice, so knock yourself out". They ended up arguing with me mid boss, so we wiped, I gave up, and left. I couldn't stand one more minute with those bullies.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I had three new members that refused help in Qurn. They bullied, and laughed at me when I simply offered them advice. The paladin wasn't shield lobbing, the white mage wasn't using medica, stoneskin (Final Sting) or regen, and the other DPS wasn't attacking the golems soul stone. To make it worse, we died several times during doom, but no my advice was "annoying" to them. I smiled, tried to be reassuring the whole time, and was patient for every wipe. Finally, when they asked me what the right order of tablets were, I said "apparently you don't need my advice, so knock yourself out". They ended up arguing with me mid boss, so we wiped, I gave up, and left. I couldn't stand one more minute with those bullies.

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Something about Qarn just seems to attract the worst kind of people, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Larkspur

Something about Qarn just seems to attract the worst kind of people, honestly.

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Im really getting worried about our community.

Levelling roulette on SMN last night up pops a Darkhold run 30mins in progress. Team is a DRK, BRD and a sprout WHM.

Zone in and say my 'Hey's and get a lovely Pikachu macro from the tank. Nice. :)
But then not even seconds later I see this in the chat;
Tank: Do you have "Holy"
Healer: (Agrees in French I think? Memory is a little foggy)
Tank: Then use it!

Okay... The text after seemed a little passively aggressive but I plod on and join the group just at the entrance of the first boss.
Jump in and for a short time the boss aggro is on the WHM, and being 'tanked' outside the Crystal Veil. But that was fixed soon enough.

Next was the room we all know and love with all those glorious toads. We all zone in and the healer casts Regen on the DRK before the pull. Then.... Nothing. Sulking in protest of having Regen cast before pull, the tank just stands and waits for it to wear off. They pull the first two mobs and no sooner are they dead they sprint off to pull the rest of the room. Yes, the whole room, with a clearly learning healer.
They struggle to keep up with the healing and we soon wipe when the final Toad enters the fray.

There's little time to think or even wait for Mana to regen as the DRK sprints off again to continue tanking the mess we left behind. No sooner do I get there (waiting for mana to summon and my Aetherflow to come off CD :C) The tank is dead again then the rest of us soon follow. Along comes a torrent of abuse from the Tank basically saying how useless the healer is and their BRD friend (I assume they were friends the way they interacted) acted much like some bully's little underling in a Highschool kids sitcom repeating all the jabs the Tank makes... I mention carefully and calmly that perhaps the healer is still learning and waiting for Protect at least couldn't hurt as well as pulling less. Stop before pull, tank seems to listen? We wait for shields and WHM pops a regen. We wait.... the full 30 or so seconds for it to wear off, BRD consoling DRK... ffs tank, really?! At this point we've only had chance to kill one toad and a hypogriph. Pull first two mobs and there is hope, the tank is actually being considerate... Nope. Rest of the room is pulled, WHM has aggro and dies first. I try to Swiftcast res but they are already at the entrance. We wipe, healer leaves shortly replaced with a lvl60 SCH. Oddly enough, the DRK is pleasantly quiet from then on.

This is basically a shout out to the WHM in that run! I'm sorry you had to put up with a colossal douche-nugget such as that tank and his apparent buddy. You seemed to be doing a fine job in my eyes. I hope you don't run into any more individuals such as that.
To the Tank, no, just no. If you don't agree with something then just say as calmly as possible. Don't p*ss off your team by waiting for a regen to tick off. Ask nicely for the healer to not do that again, or click it off.
I know you don't know what's going on behind closed doors and the tank could have been going through a bad time in RL, but please, don't spread that into the Party chat.

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Yep... that was fun.

Ran quite a few raids yesterday. For the first time, I ran into the enrage on M4... We had some new people in the party, but my goodness, DPS was slow. After the 4th attempt, I pretty much did 1 rotation of butcher's block as WAR and then just switched over to Deliverance for the rest of the fight... I had to in order to max DPS because 2 of our's simply didn't know how. It was painful to say the least. And yes, we explained mechanics... quite a few times. You'd think on the 4th go, players would realize they should't stand in a barrage of missiles (especially when told not to every time).

Then decided to do some weeping city. Was in alliance C. We get to 1st boss and die because no one took the orbs during the web phase. I have no clue what the people up top were even doing... but apparently nothing as we proceeded to be blown into oblivion until wipe occurred. We all respawn, go back and wait... for like 5 min... No one is moving, then we notice a DPS is just sitting halfway not moving. Their alliance asks us to wait and then pipe up that their tank is new and doesn't want to MT... then the other alliance pipes up. Ours is the only one not new, but doesn't want to MT either... T_T they eventually do. We go without the last DPS who apparently D/C'd and got through the fight. 2nd boss... our tank is MT again... Considering we all had to wait 5 min for people to have mechanics explained, none of the tanks picked up their adds. Dooms everywhere, people getting caught in AoE's, but we manage somehow. Then mega death's come... MT (our tank) dies. We raise. next mega death. Doesn't make it to the green goo for gradual zombification... okkkkkk. Raise again. misses zombification again... now we start announcing it in party chat every time hoping they'll notice. They die again. This continues until we finally wipe. We tell our tank that they need to get into the green blobs for zombification. She then proceeds to tell us she can't see them... oh boy. I ask in alliance chat for another alliance to pick up MT because ours can't see the blobs. Apparently she took offense to this and left..... but I mean... if you can't see them... how can you expect to MT? MT can't die every minute if we hope to pass the fight. New tank comes in, they are amazing and we get through the fight with relatively no issues. After second boss, a few DPS left, but spots filled up quickly. Ozma took 2 go's, but wasn't too bad. We wiped first time due to one alliance dying and we ended up getting their orbs as well... We get to the final boss and our tank is still MT'ing. I ask if they can handle turning the boss for us to help avoid people getting hit by the AoE. He says it won't be an issue. As we are going, about 75% in the other alliances are praising our tank for being amazing for turning the boss as needed. I think too many of us were paying too much attention to the chat... because then, our tank messed up one time D: Cleaved the entire raid D: Very few lived through it, but we somehow continued on. Unfortunately, the other 2 tanks were new and didn't understand how the mechanics worked. I can't tell you how many times they cleaved a majority of the party by turning the boss for no reason. I died about 7 times during the fight T_T First was due to the cleave from our tank. 2nd time, I was raised right on top of a purple AoE and was eaten by a plant immediately upon respawning T_T 3rd time, I respawned and then was hit by those flower's that shoot the vulnerability beams out. Deaths 4-7 were cleaves from the tank turning the boss incorrectly. And these were situations where I was very far in the safe side of the boss and then the tank would turn them for no real reason T_T

My gear was so close to being broken and I had repaired it right before entering the raid. Oh and I got no drop ._. fun times. fun times.