I think you're too pessimistic about the future of SMN. As long as SE sticks to their guns and doesn't cave to radical Summoner reformists, it'll get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deliciou5
I don't think the new class/job skills will vastly change how current classes are played because that would go against Naoki's idea not to make the game too difficult for new players.
[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?
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11-20-2014, 08:45 AMExstal
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11-20-2014, 08:51 AMDeliciou5Um....okay? I was strictly speaking of 50-60 summoner in my last post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
Also...why would a change to summoner make it more difficult for new players if the job was rebuilt for the ground up? You assume that SE wouldn't do a good job making it?
Also...radicals?What is this turning into a police state now ....where you consider everyone else with a different opinion terrorists that must be eliminated? I guess once again....you are giving SE too little credit. Even if they did use some of our ideas they would use it in combination with their own and find a middle ground everyone would probably enjoy. -
11-20-2014, 09:31 AMDyvidI have a honest question, what level is your SMN?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deliciou5
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11-20-2014, 09:33 AMDeliciou5Oooh so your trying to take the..."if you don't want to play summoner in it's current state your not allowed to talk about it" route. Clever girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
In all honestly i never had a interest in playing summoner... it is only level 15 and the only reason i will level it all is because i want to get gear out of my armory. I may not know everything about the job and sometimes i do stick my foot in my mouth but overall i willing to learn and i played with a decent number of summoners.
I have much to learn however, i do know enough about the job to know it has nothing to do with summoning overall.Even if they did include non pet spells that simply summon the primals or whatever and doing a single attack before disappearing would be better than a DOT based job. Current state of summoner reminds me more of a necromancer than summoner.
I have played plenty of mmo's with various pet jobs, and honestly....even without playing it i can see from partying with others it is just a huge disappointment. I usually main healer classes....and i even i think it's boring. Now go ahead and attack my credibility because i do not know as much as you therefore what i want out of the job is wrong according to your opinion. -
11-20-2014, 09:42 AMdday3sixAs much as you don't want to believe it, playing the Job at 50 provides scope and insight that you can't get from reading about it. It doesn't invalidate your opinion at all, but it can drastically change your understanding of the Job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deliciou5
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11-20-2014, 09:52 AMExstalIt's more like, "let's force all the current Summoners to relearn their class from the ground up".Quote:
Originally Posted by Deliciou5
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11-20-2014, 09:54 AMDeliciou5You are absolutely right. Never disputed that. However, i know enough about the job to be totally disinterested in playing a DOT class, and from my past experiences with mmo's DOT based classes ussually get outclassed at higher levels in terms of DPS when other classes jobs get better and better over the levels and the only way for the DOT class to keep up is to stack more DOT's.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday3six
With FFXIV's fast paced battling system it will end up that you couldn't even cast all your debuffs or DOT's in time before the creature would even die.(bosses being the exception of course) It would end having more ninja or dragoon would be better than having summoner in it's current form at level 80 for example...maybe i am being pessimistic however other melee classes with burst damage and the divide that other players from other threads say for a fact exists tell me that summoners are not going to get better...but worse. No other job has to stack multiple spells to get the same amount of damage over a period of time. Unless DOT's are made to be incredibly badass at higher levels than summoner will surely and slowly fall behind.
You are not summoner....that's the problem. If you remove all the pets from arcanist and just switch some abilities around for both scholar and whatever summoner would now be called they would play virtually the same.You rely on your casted abilities...not the pet.Scholar actually relies on the pet more than summoner freaking does now that i think about it...but scholar could easily get most of it's fairies abilities as natural abilities and it wouldn't make much of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
There are plenty of ways to make a pet play a larger role and not gimp the job. -
11-20-2014, 10:17 AMExstal
You're not talking about what Akiza is talking about, then. Which is split Summoner off from ACN completely and rework it into a new pet job.
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11-20-2014, 10:19 AMDeliciou5You know i don't support any one idea. What i do support is pets playing a larger role even if DOT's do remain a big part of the job. I also want to feel badass as i summon powerful looking creatures in accordance to classic nostalgic final fantasy badassery that summoner has consistently represented throughout ALL GAMES prior to this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
There is plenty of fan service in this game as is....it is not unreasonable that they would accommodate me given their track record for this game alone in terms of nostalgia.
I have mentioned earlier in this thread...even if it's just aesthetics i want to FEEL like summoner. -
11-20-2014, 10:54 AMKyroc
I main smn in SCoB and now FCoB. I enjoy the way it plays and would not like it to be reworked from the ground up. Sure it could use some tweaks and QoL improvements, but so could every job.