Shiva model!

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Originally Posted by Aion

.... but the other posters continue slagging the model. I think it is an indirect insult to those who have the knowledge on it....

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Would it make you feel better if I said "I don't like how it looks AT THE MOMENT" lol... srsly, insulted?!

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Originally Posted by KittenStomper

Her face is all wrong man, blue, purple, green, whatever... its not a shiva face... it belongs somewhere else.

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And THIS ^ - thank you! I totally agree.

(And yes yes, I know it's work in progress but I can still stay I don't like it).

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Originally Posted by Mamba

Would it make you feel better if I said "I don't like how it looks AT THE MOMENT" lol... srsly, insulted?!

And THIS ^ - thank you! I totally agree.

(And yes yes, I know it's work in progress but I can still stay I don't like it).

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Sure you can say you don't like it, but why?
That color will never touch the game. He's just plotting out the sections so it can be easier to work with without it causing eye strain.

That's like complaining that someone painted a flat undercoat to an oil piece. It's just part of the process.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Sure you can say you don't like it, but why?
That color will never touch the game. He's just plotting out the sections so it can be easier to work with without it causing eye strain.

That's like complaining that someone painted a flat undercoat to an oil piece. It's just part of the process.

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I have not really talked about the colour in my posts (maybe in the very 1st one on a side sentence), I have always just said that I dont like her face and her eyes. Maybe they will be changed, maybe they wont. It's all speculation.

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Originally Posted by KittenStomper

Her face is all wrong man, blue, purple, green, whatever... its not a shiva face... it belongs somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Mamba

I have not really talked about the colour in my posts (maybe in the very 1st one on a side sentence), I have always just said that I dont like her face and her eyes. Maybe they will be changed, maybe they wont. It's all speculation.

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

The colors you see are mostly for aesthetic purposes so the designer's eyes don't bleed after staring at a grey blob all day, and the final textures will more than likely end up being a lot similar to what is shown in the original concept art. YAY!

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I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

I rest my case.

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Mamba is talking about the facial structure (model) not the colors.

The model is a WIP and Mamba also admits it can change - I think because they mentioned colors once it appeared that's the issue they were posing.

Similar for kitten - I mistook it as well, they mean "whatever color it doesn't matter, the model doesn't look right" (the face again).

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Originally Posted by Catapult

I rest my case.

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I wrote "I have not talked about the colour in my posts"... and you reply with a quote about how the colors will be changed.... lol :X

Thanks Shougun for clarifying the point I was trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Azzi

Fixed that for you

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/5...4143b01e64.jpg

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Too sparkly! Not enough ice! Doesn't look cold enough!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!

http://i48.tinypic.com/o93ewn.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mamba

I have not really talked about the colour in my posts (maybe in the very 1st one on a side sentence), I have always just said that I dont like her face and her eyes. Maybe they will be changed, maybe they wont. It's all speculation.

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Model itself won't be changed ...do you really bitch and moan every new FF is released and all Primals look different AGAIN?
Why some people don't get it there is no such thing as "not Shiva enough" or music isn't "FF enough" ..that is the most stupid statement i have ever seen go read the fan-made magazine thread about FF's history to find out how many different art directors FF games have had , each of them with a different way of thinking.....seriously some people

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Model itself won't be changed ...do you really bitch and moan every new FF is released and all Primals look different AGAIN?
Why some people don't get it there is no such thing as "not Shiva enough" or music isn't "FF enough" ..that is the most stupid statement i have ever seen go read the fan-made magazine thread about FF's history to find out how many different art directors FF games have had , each of them with a different way of thinking.....seriously some people

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I am sorry if my own opinnion to you seem like bitching.
I can also say I dont like Mona Lisa and that also is my own opinnion, should all Da Vinci experts now tell me that I should stop bitching???? (Or is that perhaps my freedom of feeling certain way about it?)

You and some other people here, need some serious attitude check. If we can't bring up our own opinnions on forums, then where can we?

I have played FF games since I was a little girl and I know things looks different in different games. I for example didn't like how Serah in 13 looked like a child to me and made me feel that Snow was a bit of a pedofile... Now again, that was my opinnion but I still liked the game and played both 13 and 13-2.

You, on the other hand stop bitching about people who state their own opinnion, we are allowed to have them, whether you think they are "smart enough" or not.

EDIT: And btw, there is such thing as "FF-enough", I believe there is a whole franchice created around the FFish style of things. I have a friend who had her wedding dress designed with "Final Fantasy" style in mind. But this can be very vague and down to opinnion (and there is that horror word again, OPINNION)

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Model itself won't be changed ...do you really bitch and moan every new FF is released and all Primals look different AGAIN?
Why some people don't get it there is no such thing as "not Shiva enough" or music isn't "FF enough" ..that is the most stupid statement i have ever seen go read the fan-made magazine thread about FF's history to find out how many different art directors FF games have had , each of them with a different way of thinking.....seriously some people

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Well, I want add on top of what you said that this is why FF has so many fans and not all of them agree which FF is the best! The variety for good or bad is what keeps FF interesting besides another Roman Numeral! It's just enough the same to be familiar to fans but enough different to be worth purchasing again for a new story, art and yes gameplay!

You can't fault SE for not being innovative! Even if it is to their own detriment! lol But that is all part of the risk of being innovative. You either hit it big or go home with nothing!

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Originally Posted by Imoen

I'm not really concerned, FFX Shiva has always been my fav, they are going to be hard pressed to make a better one in my opinion and when I say better I mean one that I like more.

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FF8 was the best ;) she was much more elegant and elfish.. i liked that

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Originally Posted by Warlock

There is no template of Shiva or any of the Primals FFXIV's, Ifrit doesn't look anything like FFVII's same goes for the rest in every single game . what you are doing is insulting FFXIV's artist on his take of the Primals

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I disagree with you and if the FFXIV artist cant accept criticism then that person has growing up to do.

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Originally Posted by Mamba

I have not really talked about the colour in my posts (maybe in the very 1st one on a side sentence), I have always just said that I dont like her face and her eyes. Maybe they will be changed, maybe they wont. It's all speculation.

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Oh, well then yeah, if you don't like the model, you don't like the model.

This Shiva actually look like an Ice Queen. Although I like the Shiva in past FF games that is not XIII (wtf were you thinking S-E?) I think I like this Shiva the best, in fact I think I prefer the design for all Primals in ARR over the other FF games.

Edit: I have learned that you need to spell it out when it's just your opinion on this forum. ;) This is just my opinion and no one have to agree with it.

For those who think her face looks strange or w/e, remember that texturing will have a drastic impact on the final look.

We all know from experience that a variety of looks that can be achieved with different coloring techniques on the same face.
http://www.wow-makeup-styles.com/ima...p-styles-1.jpg

Also, please realize that the zbrush sculpt we saw and the in-game model are completely separate models.

The zbrush sculpt will be only be used for generating Normal/AO/etc. maps for the in-game model. (although it could also be used as a foundation for making 3d figures, or re-purposed for CG sequences).

The in-game Shiva is seperate low(er)-poly model, and it is being colored and textured entirely separately with shaders built for the new engine.

As far as the proportions go, I commented on this earlier. Don't forget that she will be giant in this game. Once you see her at full scale and from a lower angle, the proportions should even out nicely due to the perspective.

See Michelangelo's David for a RL example of this effect.



TL : DR? Focus on the concept art. It's almost exactly what she will look like when finished.

This Shiva is hot she not a skinny slut this time around those legs are yummy.

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Originally Posted by Firon

This Shiva is hot she not a skinny slut this time around those legs are yummy.

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She is dominatrix this time around lol.

Although I never thought slut from Shiva's other models she was too tribal and mystic for that thought - more of a "I dont need this extra clothes crap".

Obviously they are mixing it up here, she does have some sexy thighs, cant say I'm a huge fan for the armor BUT I'm not against it either - the face does bother me but that's just feedback**. And just like Garuda if they do it in context I guess it can work, since so far all the primals have been pretty dick like - Shiva being a haughty biaotch could fit lol.

** (Zan said concept art is likely finish look - I like the concept art face so.. sounds good :D)

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Originally Posted by Hulan

For those that don't know, ZBrush is a supplumental tool set (though they have been trying to push to becoming a fully fledged, self-contained kit) for 3D modeling primarily used to create normal maps. ZBrush is somewhat unique in that the model behaves more like a lump of clay than a descrete set of polygons.

Rather than adjusting individual verticies or lines or faces of the model (the standard way to manipulate models in Maya or 3DMax), ZBrush lets you sculpt the model as if it were clay or putty (it then behind the scenes calculates what verticies need to go where to make the model you sculpted). It's a much more fluid mode for modeling for anyone who started their career in physical mediums.

There is one serious problem though, the models created by ZBrush are way too complex for any reasonable machine to be able to handle them. This is why it is primarily used for conceptual work and normal maps (color textures that are calculated based off of higher-polygon models which alter the surfaces of a lower-polygon model to give it a more complex appearance than it actually has).

From my casual understanding, colors in ZBrush are purely ascthetic, since they likely will be completely scrapped when the model is converted into a normal map.

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thanks for clearing that up for me, its a relief.

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Originally Posted by Firon

This Shiva is hot she not a skinny slut this time around those legs are yummy.

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You know, I've thought many things about the various incarnations of Shiva over the years but this isn't really something I ever thought lol

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

You know, I've thought many things about the various incarnations of Shiva over the years but this isn't really something I ever thought lol

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lol my friend calling shiva a slut kinda rubbed off on me lol, but the FF 10 was one of my favs just because she was like "Bitch hold my scarf(or cape)" Then yuna holds it. I just don't like super skinny girls why i hate the cat girls models. Elzeen are da best.

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Originally Posted by GinTama

thanks for clearing that up for me, its a relief.

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Normal map -- Relief

I see what you did there~ (intentional or not) :D

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Originally Posted by Imoen

I'm not really concerned, FFX Shiva has always been my fav, they are going to be hard pressed to make a better one in my opinion and when I say better I mean one that I like more.

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Gonna say, if you want a better Shiva check FFTA, my favorite of them all

Yeah, the FFTA version is very stylish and militaristic
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nFYj0ZUaTXvJtv

For some reason, I like the FFIX version now, though I didn't back at the release. Her design is a nod to her Hindu roots.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../Shiva_ff9.jpg


For a long time, the FFVIII version was my favorite though. Ice spirit, with a bit of 'mermaid', I guess.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...6/8b-shiva.jpg

As far as the rest...

FFX - A solid design - the 'new classic' look for most people I suppose.
FFXIII - I hated the motorcycle transformer thing
FFXII - even as an imperial airship, she seemed less offensive than her FFXIII version.
FF4/5/6/T - the standard, old-school look
FF type-0 - Interesting, and different - I need to play the game to really form an opinion.

Based on concept art alone? The FFXIV version is the clear winner in my book. The ice queen definitely looks her part now.

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Originally Posted by Zaiyah

Every summon is re-imagined for each final fantasy to some extent this one is no different. They have gone out of their way to make sure of this. Personally my favorite version of Shiva was from 10 with the dreds <3. People need to stop asking for reruns of the old stuff from past games. Think about it ... If Shiva was the exact same from FF1 to now you would be more than sick of looking at her and I'm sure she will be appearing a few more titles to come. Take it for what it is you either like it or you don't because at this point I really don't see them changing anything major on the models other than the colors. Nit picking Shiva cause you think she gives off the wrong vibe is crazy to me, Especially when it's not a finished product.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

There is no template of Shiva or any of the Primals FFXIV's, Ifrit doesn't look anything like FFVII's same goes for the rest in every single game . what you are doing is insulting FFXIV's artist on his take of the Primals

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Yeah, very stylish
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nFYj0ZUaTXvJtv

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That's an interesting take. I hadn't seen that since I don't do the whole handheld thing. However I still love FFX Shiva. Even so thanks for linking it :)

I don't want people to get me wrong, I'm not saying "OMG SHE SUCKS AND SHE SHOULD BE CHANGED!" I was only commenting completely out of context what I thought of her so please keep that in mind. As I do know once textures/animations/plopped in the environment/ music etc.. will really help set the mood and attitude of her. I'm simply commenting on the concept and current design.

Oh god now that this has kind of derailed into how summons look-
If you guys want to know what a really weird summon is like look up the summons from Final Fantasy Unlimited, the other, earlier, FF animation.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Oh god now that this has kind of derailed into how summons look-
If you guys want to know what a really weird summon is like look up the summons from Final Fantasy Unlimited, the other, earlier, FF animation.

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Um derp? It's always been an art thread about shiva..... lol

Also keep in mind summons alao are relates to the lore, these aren't creatures willing to simply help out for a few mp. These are fierce otherworldly beings. There's the need to make the creature look like a boss since it is going to have that role. While this is a no brainer for creatures like Ifrit, summons like Shiva, Moogle King, and others still require that touch.

Thing is, what tribe has Shiva in the first place?? Certainly not the sahagin...

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Also keep in mind summons alao are relates to the lore, these aren't creatures willing to simply help out for a few mp. These are fierce otherworldly beings. There's the need to make the creature look like a boss since it is going to have that role. While this is a no brainer for creatures like Ifrit, summons like Shiva, Moogle King, and others still require that touch.

Thing is, what tribe has Shiva in the first place?? Certainly not the sahagin...

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Shiva, hilariously, appears to be tied to the Gigas, at least given what my speculating friends seem to have figured out.
Which is why one of my friends in particular was hoping she looked more roe-like XD

But no concrete information was ever given

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Originally Posted by Firon

lol my friend calling shiva a slut kinda rubbed off on me lol, but the FF 10 was one of my favs just because she was like "Bitch hold my scarf(or cape)" Then yuna holds it. I just don't like super skinny girls why i hate the cat girls models. Elzeen are da best.

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Me too Firon! I am def changing race...cat girls are way too skinny for my tastes lol. They're cute and stuff just...yeah...>.> FFX Shiva was awesome..she had the coolest hair and outfit!

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Originally Posted by Mamba

I have played FF games since I was a little girl and I know things looks different in different games. I for example didn't like how Serah in 13 looked like a child to me and made me feel that Snow was a bit of a pedofile... Now again, that was my opinnion but I still liked the game and played both 13 and 13-2.

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Glad I'm not the only person who thought that! I thought their relationship was... creepy.

I just want to put out there that I was playing FFIX with a friend who has never played a FF game before (though he does like the RPG genre quite a bit). When I was showing him some of the summons, when we got to Shiva he said "Oh Shiva, I assume she is the fire elemental summon?"

So lets keep in mind that while there is something to be said for "Classic FF Shiva", "Classic FF Shiva" is, in fact, kind of really messed up. (Not to mention Shiva is male).

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Originally Posted by Hulan

I just want to put out there that I was playing FFIX with a friend who has never played a FF game before (though he does like the RPG genre quite a bit). When I was showing him some of the summons, when we got to Shiva he said "Oh Shiva, I assume she is the fire elemental summon?"

So lets keep in mind that while there is something to be said for "Classic FF Shiva", "Classic FF Shiva" is, in fact, kind of really messed up. (Not to mention Shiva is male).

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http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../Shiva_ff9.jpg


Fire elemental? Seriously?

I mean..

Seriously? lol


I'd understand someone saying something weird like "moon element" before saying fire.. .. Like you just blew my mind lol

(Shiva is male in Hindu source, but obviously FF Shiva isnt male)

We hadn't actually watched the summon yet, just seen the name. Shiva is often linked closely with the element of fire (though not always directly).

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Originally Posted by Hulan

We hadn't actually watched the summon yet, just seen the name. Shiva is often linked closely with the element of fire (though not always directly).

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Oh! OK :D

I was really shocked someone would say fire after seeing her like that.

When I think of Shiva out of FF context I'm wondering where all the arms and extra heads are hiding ^_^;

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Also keep in mind summons alao are relates to the lore, these aren't creatures willing to simply help out for a few mp. These are fierce otherworldly beings. There's the need to make the creature look like a boss since it is going to have that role. While this is a no brainer for creatures like Ifrit, summons like Shiva, Moogle King, and others still require that touch.

Thing is, what tribe has Shiva in the first place?? Certainly not the sahagin...

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The Moogle King looks like a Boss? hehe He's basically a scaled up Teddy bear with wings and a crown!

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Glad I'm not the only person who thought that! I thought their relationship was... creepy.

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Thirded...lol it was creepy to watch. '

I forgot how pretty the FF9 Shiva was...I love her crown.

Also anyone play Revenant Wings? I liked the Shiva from that:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...6/Shiva_RW.png

I like the crown....she reminds me of the chick from Candyland lol

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Originally Posted by Linkurrra

The Moogle King looks like a Boss? hehe He's basically a scaled up Teddy bear with wings and a crown!

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Oversized compared to others of its kind? Check.
Altered voice to sound more imposing? Check.
Has a weapon to feasibly beat you to death with (unlike the "cute" variations his adds have) Check.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Also keep in mind summons alao are relates to the lore, these aren't creatures willing to simply help out for a few mp. These are fierce otherworldly beings. There's the need to make the creature look like a boss since it is going to have that role. While this is a no brainer for creatures like Ifrit, summons like Shiva, Moogle King, and others still require that touch.

Thing is, what tribe has Shiva in the first place?? Certainly not the sahagin...

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The Sahagin's primal is Leviathan.

We haven't seen Shiva's beastmen race yet, but hints have been dropped that it's a race of large creatures from the northlands.

It'll be big, hulking, ugly as sin Gigas'!