The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

If you want to find out what kind of slimy, positive toxic community FF is, look no further than this topic haha. Shameful and no better than WoW, actually probably worse. At least in WoW they tell it to you straight, I guess?

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Originally Posted by van_arn

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He's really coming to primal, huh? I was hoping he'd choose aether... I hope our community on primal doesn't change for the worst... And if he chooses behemoth it'd be the apocalypse for me...


Don't get me wrong. I love watching his content. I like him a lot, however his community is the worst thing ever. We'll see what will happen. It's inevitable.


I hope he sticks with the game until heavensward at least, but I think arr will be really hard for him to go trough...

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Originally Posted by Starshower

He's really coming to primal, huh? I was hoping he'd choose aether... I hope our community on primal doesn't change for the worst... And if he chooses behemoth it'd be the apocalypse for me...


Don't get me wrong. I love watching his content. I like him a lot, however his community is the worst thing ever. We'll see what will happen. It's inevitable.


I hope he sticks with the game until heavensward at least, but I think arr will be really hard for him to go trough...

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I've been on Primal my entire FFXIV career, it could use a boost. I will enjoy seeing some more players here! Hopefully they use their AOEs!

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Originally Posted by Starflake

If you want to find out what kind of slimy, positive toxic community FF is, look no further than this topic haha. Shameful and no better than WoW, actually probably worse. At least in WoW they tell it to you straight, I guess?

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True. Even if Asmongolds most toxic audience would also play FF14 it would be actually an improvement for the community. I have never experienced a community which more bullying and unwelcoming than the FF14 community. And i have played tons of other games.



Cheers

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Originally Posted by Starshower

He's really coming to primal, huh? I was hoping he'd choose aether... I hope our community on primal doesn't change for the worst... And if he chooses behemoth it'd be the apocalypse for me...


Don't get me wrong. I love watching his content. I like him a lot, however his community is the worst thing ever. We'll see what will happen. It's inevitable.


I hope he sticks with the game until heavensward at least, but I think arr will be really hard for him to go trough...

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I don't think he will make it past 30 honestly, I feel FFXIV is too slow for him, he complained about WoW after the CGD changes a couple of years ago so he'll almost certainly not like the combat in FFXIV, he also doesn't strike me as the type to sit through hours of cutscenes, so he'll probably spam skip faster than a BDO player going through their story quests and ultimately end up playing the game for the wrong reasons, just my opinion of course.

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Originally Posted by Mingqin

I don't think he will make it past 30 honestly, I feel FFXIV is too slow for him, he complained about WoW after the CGD changes a couple of years ago so he'll almost certainly not like the combat in FFXIV, he also doesn't strike me as the type to sit through hours of cutscenes, so he'll probably spam skip faster than a BDO player going through their story quests and ultimately end up playing the gamer for the wrong reasons, just my opinion of course.

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I wouldn't mind him skipping stuff, if it means he gets to content that is more bearable to him faster. It's not ideal, but new game + exists if people are ever curious about the story. I used to get mad at people skipping story in this game, but honestly, I think this game has so much content, so much stuff to do at every point, that I now recognize that this game is great even without the story. The story is great and makes us more invested in the world and instances, but the content is still good if you skip.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So you're saying Asmongold is being Condescending towards his own fanbase then because he has said "Its Just a game".

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If you read his twitter, it's quite clear that was to make it clear it is just a game and there is not needed for twitter drama as it clear there is a clash between wow and ff14 players there either praising it and ask him not to come at all. Just like a big number of people in this thread is saying.

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Originally Posted by Arrhin

Never heard of this loser, yet I cared enough to post. Shoot me....

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Why call someone you don't know a loser? I think you do know who Asmongold is and just trying to be "cool" on the internet.


#GCBTW

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Originally Posted by OrigNN

Read this alot. But as a refugee, I never experienced that. As ever, problem pumbed out of proportion.

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Have you said anything about wow does this better, would be cool if something similar was implemented in FF - in public?
I'm gonna guess no or you would been saying so much salt. Google "scottzone ff14 drama" and you shall see (tldr: doxxing, d threats etc)

I've had friends asking for wow transmog system. "OH HOW DARE YOU INSULT OUR GLAMOUR SYTEM REEEEEEE" paraphrasing ofc but you get the point.

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Originally Posted by Mingqin

Honestly, I hope he doesn't

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GCBTW

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Originally Posted by Starflake

If you want to find out what kind of slimy, positive toxic community FF is, look no further than this topic haha. Shameful and no better than WoW, actually probably worse. At least in WoW they tell it to you straight, I guess?

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That’s the difference between 14’s toxicity and WoW’s which actually makes me feel like 14 is just as bad if not worse. WoW’s is much more blunt/in your face whereas the 14 toxicity likes to be covered up and hide in the shadows. People pretend like it’s all rainbows and sunshine’s but it’s incredibly ugly on the inside. I hate that because people get this false notion of how good the community is and then they get hit with a rude awakening whether it be with casual toxicity or whatnot. It’s why i’m actually really excited for him
to come over now and perhaps bring a part of his viewer base over. This games community needs a kick in the head and needs to be humbled.

Can't believe this topic is literally MPK going "Guys you know this going to play our game" then almost 40 pages of people talking about thier gripes with aspects of the community because streamer has people who doesn't like him ranting about him and getting like 2 likes on thier posts maximum. Biggest space waster on the forums

In the past 38 pages have seen some nice welcoming comments from people but also some very toxic ones. All the negative people should give the guy a break and work on being more accepting of others.

The community should welcome new players and guide them well in-game especially. First impressions do count, imagine if the first time you ran Satasha normal as a Tank you got told you're pulling too slow and got completely disheartened thinking you're in for more of the same harsh criticism going forward?

It would be nice if people's first impressions of the game were welcoming ones as they are more likely to keep the kindness going.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I see I'm having to repeat myself in that some people just simply don't view it as anything special beyond someone wanting to play the game. Sure he brings a significant viewer base to the game, but that aside let him play the game. If you're to view everyone not treating this as something special as being gaslighting, then that is on you, and taking into account some of the things that Asmon has said in the past isn't exactly the most pleasant outlook to have.- "But he's just being humble"

If you aren't prepared for everyone to jump on the bandwagon, or if you aren't prepared for people having a different outlook than yourself on the subject matter then I really do question making the thread in the first place.

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I don't mind people having a different outlook; I have a problem with the claims of neutrality, like they don't understand what will happen if they go into a fan thread for a celebrity and start gaslighting about how he's no big deal. They do it knowing the fans are going to react, then get all flustered and play victim like they didn't expect it.

There's large groups of people online who follow celebrities around all day "not caring" that they exist, and it's so transparent I can't help but comment on it. The obsessed detractors are more annoying than the obsessed fans because at least the fans are honest. If people didn't care they wouldn't be here. The fact is that something about him or his fans bothers them, so they're here gaslighting. I don't have a problem with it but they should just be honest about it, instead of trying to fake neutrality on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

If you read his twitter, it's quite clear that was to make it clear it is just a game and there is not needed for twitter drama as it clear there is a clash between wow and ff14 players there either praising it and ask him not to come at all. Just like a big number of people in this thread is saying.







Why call someone you don't know a loser? I think you do know who Asmongold is and just trying to be "cool" on the internet.


#GCBTW



Have you said anything about wow does this better, would be cool if something similar was implemented in FF - in public?
I'm gonna guess no or you would been saying so much salt. Google "scottzone ff14 drama" and you shall see (tldr: doxxing, d threats etc)

I've had friends asking for wow transmog system. "OH HOW DARE YOU INSULT OUR GLAMOUR SYTEM REEEEEEE" paraphrasing ofc but you get the point.





GCBTW

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Do you need help, Sotaris? You seem a little obsessed with your 'GCBTW'.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Have you said anything about wow does this better, would be cool if something similar was implemented in FF - in public?
I'm gonna guess no or you would been saying so much salt. Google "scottzone ff14 drama" and you shall see (tldr: doxxing, d threats etc)

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Hearing how Scottzone was bullied into stopping content creation altogether was pretty disheartening, yeah. Not gonna lie. And it's interesting because even while you're memeing, people are continuing to prove you right. XIV has a problem with severe evangelizing and shutting down dissenting opinion, no matter how valid it may be. It may not have even been anyone in this thread who was responsible for Scottzone's departure, but the fact that it happened to a content creator nowhere near as big as Asmongold should be worrying.

I'm not on the boat that XIV's playerbase is "as toxic as other communities", because it isn't. There is toxicity, but overall, the community is pretty cool, it really is. Though, if we don't start cracking down on the people who take critiques about the game as personal attacks and then lash out at others, the problem is going to fester.

I want people to continue having the impression that XIV's community is warm and welcoming, but the rose-colored lenses need to come off at some point for some of its players. Asmon is a huge streamer and while I get that some people are worried about his following (I am, too), the last thing I want to hear is how he didn't see the welcoming aspect of the community that people so praise us for. It will paint us in a really bad light, because that's a part of our reputation and identity as players of XIV.

If you're in this thread gatekeeping (and you know who you are), you are part of the problem. @ me if you want.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I don't mind people having a different outlook; I have a problem with the claims of neutrality, like they don't understand what will happen if they go into a fan thread for a celebrity and start gaslighting about how he's no big deal. They do it knowing the fans are going to react, then get all flustered and play victim like they didn't expect it.

There's large groups of people online who follow celebrities around all day "not caring" that they exist, and it's so transparent I can't help but comment on it. The obsessed detractors are more annoying than the obsessed fans because at least the fans are honest. If people didn't care they wouldn't be here. The fact is that something about him or his fans bothers them, so they're here gaslighting. I don't have a problem with it but they should just be honest about it, instead of trying to fake neutrality on the subject.

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No, the problem happens when trolls go around putting the jealousy token on everyone that doesn't necessarily agree with the outlook. Fans or not, I'm sure it's not a difficult task to act like an adult about it. I'm honestly not entirely sure Asmongold could have made it more abundantly clear about him not viewing it as a special event.

But that doesn't detract from the simple fact that supposed fans of the guy show an utter inability of respecting his wishes of letting him try the game, without having partial responsibility of turning it into anything unpleasant or drama-related. But me not taking particular care in the matter and respecting his wishes apparently comes across as gaslighting, you couldn't be more hyperbolic even if you tried.

Like seriously, the man wants to try a videogame, stop making a big deal about it and let the man play his damn videogame.

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Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy

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Good for you haven't run into to much of the toxic side, and I'd say you don't see it to much in-game but on this forum this week it been pretty clear there exist alot of toxicity towards anyone being a wow streamer and wants to join cause you have a following with some trolls and kids.

What you do see a lot (at least during my 8 years of playing) is "go back to wow" and that sort of condescending comments.

It all boils down to some (many it seem now) bad apples but it gives a bad picture for the community as awhole, same as people say wow is so toxic, over the years i played it (given pretty casual) but I rarely seen anything toxic in it but there is clearly some bad apples there too giving the bad community stamp.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, the problem happens when trolls go around putting the jealousy token on everyone that doesn't necessarily agree with the outlook. Fans or not, I'm sure it's not a difficult task to act like an adult about it. I'm honestly not entirely sure Asmongold could have made it more abundantly clear about him not viewing it as a special event.

But that doesn't detract from the simple fact that supposed fans of the guy show an utter inability of respecting his wishes of letting him try the game, without having partial responsibility of turning it into anything unpleasant or drama-related. But me not taking particular care in the matter and respecting his wishes apparently comes across as gaslighting, you couldn't be more hyperbolic even if you tried.

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Ah, so your position now is that you're in this thread protecting him from his fans? This thread was just people welcoming him to the game and expressing excitement; it wasn't some insidious plot to swarm him and invade his privacy the second he logged in.

Lets not keep backpeddling and trying to reframe this; you're not here to defend Asmons wishes you're just gaslighting his fans.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Ah, so your position now is that you're in this thread protecting him from his fans? This thread was just people welcoming him to the game and expressing excitement; it wasn't some insidious plot to swarm him and invade his privacy the second he logged in.

Lets not keep backpeddling and trying to reframe this; you're not here to defend Asmons wishes you're just gaslighting his fans.

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I never made that position, you're attempting to misrepresent my position. I feel like I've been quite clear that people should simply respect his wishes and let him enjoy the game to create his own firsthand opinion. This thread has been a mix of things.

No, my original stance was actually that I didn't care and I was wondering why others were too, and that people should let him play the game and see how he does which was in fact a comment to both sides of the coin. Which quickly got turned by someone fairly immature trying to masquerade that everyone is jealous because they aren't conforming to their little parade. But alas I see you make it a well-known point to comment based on incomplete knowledge, so before you try and misrepresent my stance you would in fact do well to do your research beforehand on what my stance was in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I never made that position, you're attempting to misrepresent my position. I feel like I've been quite clear that people should respect his wishes and let him enjoy the game to create his own firsthand opinion. This thread has been a mix of things.

No, my original stance was actually that I didn't care and I was wondering why others were too, and that people should let him play the game and see how he does which was in fact a comment to both sides of the coin. Which quickly got turned by someone fairly immature trying to masquerade that everyone is jealous because they aren't conforming to their little parade. But alas I see you make it a well-known point to comment based on incomplete knowledge, so before you try and misrepresent my stance you would in fact do well to do your research beforehand

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The person being called jealous more or less just came here to announce that Asmon is "nothing special." That was gaslighting, and he got jumped on for it. The problem is that you hitched yourself to his wagon and started attacking the people who jumped on him, so his point by proxy became yours.

Regardless, there's nothing wrong with threads like this, and Asmons "wishes" are just standard celebrity faux modesty. Publicity is his careers lifeblood, and he's probably going to be trying this game on stream; because, you know, he OBVIOUSLY wants to keep this low key and private. /s

The false modesty just keeps him from looking like a douche, and while I'm sure he doesn't want to be harassed in game I doubt he minds his fans talking about him. So, let them make a thread and have their fun, and don't worry; Asmon will get to "just try the game."

Wow almost 400 posts. Never knew people were that excited to see Asmongold play the game.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

The person being called jealous more or less just came here to announce that Asmon is "nothing special." That was gaslighting, and he got jumped on for it. The problem is that you hitched yourself to his wagon and started attacking the people who jumped on him, so his point by proxy became yours.

Regardless, there's nothing wrong with threads like this, and Asmons "wishes" are just standard celebrity faux modesty. Publicity is his careers lifeblood, and he's probably going to be trying this game on stream; because, you know, he OBVIOUSLY wants to keep this low key and private. /s

The false modesty just keeps him from looking like a douche, and while I'm sure he doesn't want to be harassed in game I doubt he minds his fans talking about him. So, let them make a thread and have their fun, and don't worry; Asmon will get to "just try the game."

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No, me jumping on the bandwagon as you like to call it does not make his point mine. I jumped on the post because I have vehement disapproval with someone chalking everything up to being "y'all just jealous". It's a childish outlook to have, as I feel I have made abundantly clear. I don't condone the tone of the poster, and nor do I condone the logic of chalking everything up to being jealous.

Congratulations for stating the obvious with this sentence, really, well done.

Or he just doesn't want people to blow the whole thing out of proportion, but who knows. 'I think, you think'. Afterall. I'm not sure I'm willing to equate "Please just try to let me enjoy and play the game without turning it into drama or anything else unpleasant" as being false modesty.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, me jumping on the bandwagon as you like to call it does not make his point mine. I jumped on the post because I have vehement disapproval with someone chalking everything up to being "y'all just jealous". It's a childish outlook to have, as I feel I have made abundantly clear. I don't condone the tone of the poster, and nor do I condone the logic of chalking everything up to being jealous.

Congratulations for stating the obvious with this sentence, really, well done.

Or he just doesn't want people to blow the whole thing out of proportion, but who knows. 'I think, you think'. Afterall.

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Like it or not, what you hitch your argument to does affect how your point will be received. "You're just jealous" is a perfectly reasonable way to brush off someone who is gaslighting; there's no reason to expect a more nuanced response than that. The optics of you coming to his defense there aligns you with his position, even if it's not what you intended. Pick your battles better.

Also, nothing about threads like this is blowing anything out of proportion, so what are you worried about? He's trying the game and some fans of his are excited about it. If this threads purpose was to imply he was abandoning WoW and dedicating his channel to FFXIV I'd see your point, but that's not the case.

He'll play, and if we're being honest he probably won't like it much. This game has no PvP to speak of and doesn't give the best first impression gameplay-wise.

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"Please just try to let me enjoy and play the game without turning it into drama or anything else unpleasant" as being false modesty.

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That sounds like he's asking his people and ours to not start any kind of class warfare over this; he's not saying "Please don't make any threads welcoming me to the game."

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Also, nothing about threads like this is blowing anything out of proportion, so what are you worried about? He's trying the game and some fans of his are excited about it. .

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Tbh, I think most of his fans are excited about it because of the upcoming memes and because they want to hear him trash the game and partake in it themselves.

I actually do like Asmongold's Streams, but I am also not blind and I read his chat and know how it works and so does he which is why he has said that he knows it's going to happen and why he's so defensive about it.
I really wish he'd play the game off-stream, because I really don't think it's actually possible for him to give the game a genuine try while streaming.
He's going to ruin the entire experience and at that point I honestly don't see the point other than to just create drama content for the views.

Honestly never heard of the guy before MPK started mentioning him, and then youtube's algorithm suggested his reaction to the Endwalker trailer. Aside from him not knowing what weeb means, his takes were pretty mild overall but I don't know if XIV would appeal to him aside from certain job aesthetics. HW story might interest him but I can't see him making it past ARR with all its world-building frontloaded as much as it is. Maybe someone who watches his content can tell me if he even enjoys or interacts with WoW's story, if so then he might have the patience to go through the slowest part of the story. His chat though, good lord almighty, I haven't seen such a gathering of what appears to be 15 year-old edgelords in one place since high school.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Like it or not, what you hitch your argument to does affect how your point will be received. "You're just jealous" is a perfectly reasonable way to brush off someone who is gaslighting; there's no reason to expect a more nuanced response than that. The optics of you coming to his defense there aligns you with his position, even if it's not what you intended. Pick your battles better.

Also, nothing about threads like this is blowing anything out of proportion, so what are you worried about? He's trying the game and some fans of his are excited about it. If this threads purpose was to imply he was abandoning WoW and dedicating his channel to FFXIV I'd see your point, but that's not the case.

He'll play, and if we're being honest he probably won't like it much. This game has no PvP to speak of and doesn't give the best first impression gameplay-wise.

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No, it's a very poor way to chalk it up. You can narrow it down to the individual being apathetic towards his status. Seemed blatantly obvious, if you ask me. As I said, read my previous post. I disapproved of both sides, for a mix of reasons. No need to 'pick my battles' better because someone on the OF is under some serious misapprehension that because I opposed a particular point, it can thus only mean that I'm defending the person they were making the point or claim towards. No, just no.

My concerns are founded on the simple fact that some people seem to be under the impression that him trying the game constitutes him making a definitive move to the game. It sets out unrealistic, or unfounded expectations or hopes, and like I said, it's also pretty controversial

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Honestly never heard of the guy before MPK started mentioning him, and then youtube's algorithm suggested his reaction to the Endwalker trailer. Aside from him not knowing what weeb means, his takes were pretty mild overall but I don't know if XIV would appeal to him aside from certain job aesthetics. HW story might interest him but I can't see him making it past ARR with all its world-building frontloaded as much as it is. Maybe someone who watches his content can tell me if he even enjoys or interacts with WoW's story, if so then he might have the patience to go through the slowest part of the story. His chat though, good lord almighty, I haven't seen such a gathering of what appears to be 15 year-old edgelords in one place since high school.

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Yeah Asmongold himself isn't the problem, it's his fanbase.
Or at least a very loud part of his fanbase.

I actually do like that he calls them out on shit and isn't afraid to speak his mind even when it's really unpopular with his own audience.

Edit: In regards to the story part, no.
I mean I guess he cares on a pretty surface level and minor level in the sense that he pays attention to what's happening and has opinions on it, but he's not like super invested in the story or so it seems at least.

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Tbh, I think most of his fans are excited about it because of the upcoming memes and because they want to hear him trash the game and partake in it themselves.

I actually do like Asmongold's Streams, but I am also not blind and I read his chat and know how it works and so does he which is why he has said that he knows it's going to happen and why he's so defensive about it.
I really wish he'd play the game off-stream, because I really don't think it's actually possible for him to give the game a genuine try while streaming.
He's going to ruin the entire experience and at that point I honestly don't see the point other than to just create drama content for the views.

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These are all fair points, and I think some people may be conflating his wishes here.

It's not that he wants the whole world to not mention what he's doing; he just wants his viewers to shut up during the stream and let him attempt to enjoy the game. The people getting all worked up about welcome threads because "OMG ASMON SAID TO BE QUIET AND LET HIM PLAY!" are likely missing the point.

It sounds like at least his intention is to not unfairly crap on the game, which is a good thing. Even if most of his audience hates it, though, it's a big audience. Some of them might see something they like.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, it's a very poor way to chalk it up. You can narrow it down to the individual being apathetic towards his status. Seemed blatantly obvious, if you ask me.

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This wasn't some man on the street interview where someone waved him down and asked him how he felt about Asmon; he's the one who jumped into this thread just to say 'this topic isn't important, I don't care.' Once he made the decision to interject himself he can't claim apathy. He cared enough to do it, and he didn't give ANY explanation why, so people might assume jealousy was the motivation. That's his fault.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

These are all fair points, and I think some people may be conflating his wishes here.

It's not that he wants the whole world to not mention what he's doing; he just wants his viewers to shut up during the stream and let him attempt to enjoy the game. The people getting all worked up about welcome threads because "OMG ASMON SAID TO BE QUIET AND LET HIM PLAY!" are likely missing the point.

It sounds like at least his intention is to not unfairly crap on the game, which is a good thing. Even if most of his audience hates it, though, it's a big audience. Some of them might see something they like.

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Pretty much, his take on it basically seems to be that he loves half of it and hates or isn't into the other half.
Which I mean is fair enough, it's not as if I like all content in games I play.
I'd even say that when it comes to games from Western studios I dislike most of it on a visual level.
To the point that I've essentially lost interest in most games altogether, it's not like I don't get it.

I mean watch his reaction to the Endwalker trailer and Reaper reveal, I don't get the impression at all that he's actively looking for things to complain about he really seems to just be giving his honest reactions.
And one thing I do like about him too is that he doesn't come across as a judgemental asshole about it, the way that someone phrases or says it can make a big difference.
When MikePreachWoW for example went on his rant about it after he went through raid fights he just came across like he had this attitude of '' ugh, you guys are disgusting ''.
Like his tone made him sound as if he was talking down to people.
I don't really get that impression from Asmongold, his tone surrounding it doesn't come across like he genuinely looks down on you for liking content that doesn't appeal to him.

It makes his takes more easy to listen to and accept imo, I only really get super annoyed by it when people are being or come across as really judgemental about what other people enjoy.

Normally I would say "Yeah that's cool I guess. idk who that is, who cares?' but we appear to have 300+ comments about who do care.

Community is what you make of it. One popular but seemingly problematic youtuber will not make or break the game or the community. There are plenty of flavors of toxic in both communities; lets not pretend one is somehow better.

I think you all need to take a breath and remember that this whole wow refugee panic is mostly a western phenomenon. The Japanese company that makes the game that is based in Japan and markets initially and primarily in Japan where World of Warcraft, while present, was never particularly popular is not likely to have a big impact if any to them and as such, they are happy for the free marketing material but also do not really care either.

I have nothing against the streamer or his fans, but I have seen some of his streams and homophobic and racist comments that is normal there is very disturbing.

I hope when they come to FFXIV, they behave or atleast get banned fast.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I dont have to convince myself of anything, I already know he isn't
Its you that wants me to think otherwise.
I dont need anything from SE except a fun game to play that will convince me to continue to spend money on.

BTW, why is this suddenly about me? Thought we were talking about Asmongold Here.
Or am I suddenly becoming Special?

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I did mention that you're special. Because it's hilarious how you're trying so hard to hide your jealousy. At least a reasonable person wouldn't say "He makes money? So do I." when comparing themselves to someone who makes 100x the money.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Cool, why do I care? There are tens of thousands of people who make more money then me, and most of them, are still nothing special. Their Bank Accounts dont make them special.
Nah, my school taught a simple Curriculum. And that I have to learn and study if I want to be successful. No shortcuts.
Why is my school part of the conversation about Asmongold btw?

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Because your school didn't teach you that life is not a cookie cutter and not everyone is the same. Those who succeed are the ones who learn how to seize opportunities when they see them. No point in learning and studying if you're not able to utilize them to do what others can't. And here you want to trivialize everything successful people did and water it down so that you can lump even those that barely did 1% of what these people did and achieved, just to avoid labeling them as "special". Yeah, you all get an A for participation!!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

You obviously are, otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard to convince me im Jealous when I have stated Im simply not, and there is nothing to be Jealous of. Then you bring in how much money Asmon makes like thats suppose to sway me, then talk about my school giving A's for Participation, and now you call me Special...with no context of what you mean by it...so I can easily assume its an insult.
Something I never did...but you had to....

But Yeah man...Im convinced your a total troll at this point.
Your posts Reek of it.

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Just because you stated you're not, doesn't mean you aren't. The signs are as clear as day. If you're not jealous, you wouldn't insist that someone achieving what roughly 95% of the world can't isn't special. Especially when you yourself can't even achieve 5% of what they did.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/b4...608fd7a892.jpg

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

You don't see SE welcoming us into this game. Are you blind?

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Last I checked, there isn't a single welcome message from the dev team or SE that mentions you by name or directed only to you. Are you sure you're not hallucinating? Being lumped with the entirety of the player base doesn't make you special rofl!

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

SE can't type on Twitter to every player a welcome message, that's just silly.

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Yet, they wrote one to Asmongold and not you. You know why? Because they want money from his viewer! You're already giving them money rofl! You're not important enough for them to have a message sent specifically to you alone. You're only important when you're part of the larger player base group. This isn't rocket science people!

It always amuses me when people respond while being driven by emotions. You find all sorts of flaws in their argument.

I don't know her, but a google search tells me I don't want to. What's with all those faces in his thumbnails.


No thanks!

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Originally Posted by WoW

Last I checked, there isn't a single welcome message from the dev team or SE that mentions you by name or directed only to you. Are you sure you're not hallucinating? Being lumped with the entirety of the player base doesn't make you special rofl!



Yet, they wrote one to Asmongold and not you. You know why? Because they want money from his viewer! You're already giving them money rofl! You're not important enough for them to have a message sent specifically to you alone. You're only important when you're part of the larger player base group. This isn't rocket science people!

It always amuses me when people respond while being driven by emotions. You find all sorts of flaws in their argument.

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Don't know why you are on the defensive or why you're so bitter. Just so you know, I give them money because I chose to support a game that has the player,s interests at the heart and say as much over and over.. I'm sure you have some argument for that too. I personally don't care what god(s) you worship. I like many others could care less. It seems that is what you can't get over, which is sad. My hope is for "all" who try FFXIV for the first time, no matter, can enjoy the experience and not let people like yourself spoil it for them with the bitterness.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Don't know why you are on the defensive or why you're so bitter. Just so you know, I give them money because I chose to support a game that has the player,s interests at the heart and say as much over and over.. I'm sure you have some argument for that too. I personally don't care what god(s) you worship. I like many others could care less. It seems that is what you can't get over, which is sad. My hope is for "all" who try FFXIV for the first time, no matter, can enjoy the experience and not let people like yourself spoil it for them with the bitterness.

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They're a troll, first and foremost. Chances are they don't care one bit about the subject at hand. Everyone needs to stop feeding them.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They're a troll, first and foremost. Chances are they don't care one bit about the subject at hand. Everyone needs to stop feeding them.

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Gotcha! Thanks!

I feel like so many arguments are getting merged here that people are arguing things that they don’t even mean to be addressing or haven’t seen the actual conversation of how said argument started. Makes things hella confusing.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I feel like so many arguments are getting merged here that people are arguing things that they don’t even mean to be addressing or haven’t seen the actual conversation of how said argument started. Makes things hella confusing.

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You basically summed up the internet as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Don't know why you are on the defensive or why you're so bitter. Just so you know, I give them money because I chose to support a game that has the player,s interests at the heart and say as much over and over.. I'm sure you have some argument for that too. I personally don't care what god(s) you worship. I like many others could care less. It seems that is what you can't get over, which is sad. My hope is for "all" who try FFXIV for the first time, no matter, can enjoy the experience and not let people like yourself spoil it for them with the bitterness.

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If you don't care then why are you responding? It's like a vegan trying to tell everyone they're vegan. At least you backed down on your silly argument of SE welcoming you rofl.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Last I checked, there isn't a single welcome message from the dev team or SE that mentions you by name or directed only to you. Are you sure you're not hallucinating? Being lumped with the entirety of the player base doesn't make you special rofl!

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I mean...Some of us are thanked by name...