Yeah, Emet asking us to remember, and his actions in 5.3 plus the perspective he has on the other two in the short stories really hammer home that he fully believed the others were to far gone and the cause was going to end with him one way or the other.
I can only imagine how bad Elidibus's memory issues would have gotten if he had won in 5.3. Even when Laha and Emet were both alive he was clearly degrading, without either around to even try to anchor him or believe in him as the person they once knew, it would have only gotten worse.
There's an AU somewhere where he lingers on autopilot for so long but forgets so much that Fandaniel could probably turn him into a direct lackey without much effort.
Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)
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06-09-2021, 10:34 AMSlatersev
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06-09-2021, 11:07 AMLium
Super late on this but I just finally did the YoRHa finale. I'm not even going to hide this behind a spoiler tag because I have so little to say about it. It was just as confusing as the rest of the raid series to me. I didn't understand all the stats either. Someone in this thread said those are the stats from each server on who picked who, Anogg or Konogg. Well, I can't remember whose side I picked a long time ago so not sure if the ending is different.
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06-09-2021, 04:25 PMYianKutkuI'm still kind of unsure why, if Lahabrea is known to be so unstable and weak and completely out of it, the Ascians still gave him Igeyorhm to supervise in Heavensward.Quote:
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06-09-2021, 04:29 PMVyrerusMaybe they had what was needed to make Ascian Prime, and the other Ascians were incompatible with Lahabrea. Also though, Igeyorhm maybe asked to help out, since Lahabrea failed when trying things on his own with a few black masks for minion grunt work.Quote:
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06-09-2021, 06:21 PMBlitzAceRushIgnoring that they're trying to fill in the problems backwards, in lore I think it's willing blindness, Emet, while he acknowledges Lahabrea's decline, he is one of only two other people remaining of the world he knew, he doesn't want to accept that one of the only remaining pieces of that life, the dream they're trying to reforge is fading away from him, because, really Lahabrea IS the only remaining piece, given what Elidibus is, due to that nature that he too is destined to slowly lose himself to that which he is forced to draw strength from, it's up to him and Lahabrea to keep him reminding him, but now Emet finds himself alone, the soul one to remember them, to remember that they once lived, how they once lived, they they were more than this. It's no wonder the man wants to sleep all the time, dream of the world he's lost in the hopes he'll either wake up to it having been restored in wake up to the vail hope that losing it was the dream.Quote:
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I also think it's why Emet contradicts himself so much, after you fail to control the light and he claims you'll turn into a beast and kill everyone, he still puts on a history lesson for you, someone who he claims won't remember any of it, because he knows you will and he needs you to, because after he's gone, someone has to, because he's the only one left who does and he just wants someone else to remember, he can't bering them back, but he can't let them be forgotten. "I won't let it all be for naught!" It wasn't so long as someone still knows they existed. -
06-09-2021, 07:04 PMYianKutkuYeah, fair on Emet-Selch probably trying to act out to cope. When we first saw him, he was going "lol Lahabrea is dead, he was stupid anyway". Which is very strange if he actually cared about Lahabrea anyway, but if it was him trying to hide his grief in a deeply unhealthy way, maybe it fits? (I honestly can't understand it myself, but I've been told everyone processes grief differently.)Quote:
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06-10-2021, 05:14 AMBlitzAceRushYeah, some people can be cold or even downright nasty to the person that died even if they cared about them for that very reason, they cared about them and they went and "left" them, in Emet's case all alone, even though it wasn't like Lahabrea killed himself, he was still gone and Emet was now the last true unsundered. Worse still in Emets case is unlike you or I who if we lose someone we can find someone to till the void as an unsundered Emet could never find another unsundered, so it hits even harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by YianKutku
I think while Emet was true to his word and was honest with you during 5.0 he was also only honest on a surface levle in that he gave honest information and was willing to be helpful, the man clearly spoke in half truths at time, had meaning within his words or at times seemed to straight contradict himself. I'm not sure if he intended to commit "death by WoL" from the start, but he spent A LOT of time imparting information to the WoL about his people and setting up plans and events to trigger after his defeat for victory to have been his primary goal either. -
06-10-2021, 05:16 AMSlatersev
Emet just calling Lahabrea an idiot does come off a bit strange after Shadowbringers, probably because even at that point they were still nailing down the details of everything for the expansion. But I think its more or less workable. Going by the short story, both him and Elidibus expected Laha to get himself killed eventually, they have really hammered in the lore that he was the one who deteriorated the most, both mentally and in power.
So Emet being so flippant about it is probably a mix of Emet having had centuries of expecting this very thing to happen, him trying to bury his own grief, and probably on some level at the very least just a little bit of genuine resentment bleeding through. Resentment of his peer for not holding it together like he had through all the Eon's. Leaving him more or less carrying all the weight himself.
Really, the more we learn about the Unsundered, the more it reads like alongside everything else, Emet had to spend a significant portion of time playing some manner of care taker for the other two. Having to work to keep your two mentally degrading comrades on task for Eon's would take a huge toll on anyone. -
06-10-2021, 05:24 AMCeridwenaeI always figured he was seriously depressed, which was why he enjoyed sleeping so much. Being something of a caretaker for the other two definitely wouldn't help either, I agree. I think there's a lot of stuff he said or did that was pure acting front, and that's hard to keep up for just a short time, let alone for the amount of time he did. It's not like he could really give us much more than that front for most of the time we-as-WoL interact with him, but there were some small moments where I definitely wished my cat could've used more words. #HugsforHadesQuote:
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06-10-2021, 05:32 AMBlitzAceRush
Which both reveals but explains a failing of Emets, he was tired. The man kept taking really long naps, he'd gotten to the point where he'd wake up, make sure Lahabrea hadn't blown himself or a shard up, check that Elidibus remembered what year it was, make sure Danny and the others were on task and not up to anything funny, sigh that several of them were dead, raise new ones, not even bother to question who or why so many of them died this time, tell them to wake him in a few hundred years unless an emergency, set his alarm for "calamity" and sleep.
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06-10-2021, 06:17 AMKeseyThis is probably wrong, but I always took his wanting to sleep as a call for his work to be done. As in it's not a physical need for sleep but a need to finally be at the point where Zodiark is back. Like the way we talk about a super repetitive job that we've done for a long time that tires us out mentally and spiritually more then physically anymore and are at the point of quitting for our mental health.Quote:
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06-10-2021, 05:01 PMYianKutkuHe still stayed awake long enough to create the Allagan and Garlean Empires, though.Quote:
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06-10-2021, 07:03 PMTensaihime
I understood Emet was tired, but it never occurred to me before to make a connection between all of his sleeping and all of his sadness/resentment about his homies. These last couple of pages are making me feel worse for the man than the actual game was able to. I guess I can get behind #HugsforHades
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06-11-2021, 02:05 AMWhiteArchmageFor Ascian timelines, his natural lives creating Allag and Garlemald would be very short, some 50 to 60 years (perhaps as long as 80) each. He DID mention that he had planned on sleeping for much longer but was woken up early because of "Lahabrea's crowning moment of idiocy"Quote:
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06-22-2021, 05:21 PMErendis
Patch notes:
The Field Record entry of Fran Eruyt has been adjusted.
An issue wherein text in the Field Record entry of Fran Eruyt has not been adjusted.
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06-22-2021, 05:34 PMIscahSchrödinger might be able to explain it to you...Quote:
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Though my best guess is that it was supposed to have been edited in the 5.57 update file but wasn't, and they'll update it with the hotfixes.
So take note of the current contents, I guess, and we'll see what comes out of it later. Was there an actual error or are they tweaking the lore? -
09-29-2021, 04:24 AMJeanneOrnitier
https://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/...no_and_yoship/
Interview with Yoshi-P and Matsuno. More detail in the link, but as far as the future of this storyline:
-The field records at the end were not hastily changed like some fans believed, they were always written that way.
-Matsuno didn't want to tell a story of Dalmasca's liberation, he wants to tell a story of what comes afterward.
-A next stage of the Ivalice story is not currently in planning stages but is still on the table for someday.
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09-29-2021, 05:39 AMWhiteArchmagePraise the father, Faram! So from what I'm reading the "third act" of the story (Matsuno tends to work in 4 acts, btw, and even then tends to leave some things open just in case he wants to revisit settings: such as what happened with Tactics Ogre: LUCT, and his ideas for the scrapped Vagrant Story 2) isn't confirmed but isn't outright cancelled, either. Makes Matsuno's comment about it more... understanding? or at least more neutral.Quote:
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This is... kind of funny, really. Initially Vagrant Story was supposed to be a stand-alone game and the references to Agrias and Orlandeu weren't meant to be taken seriously; but when people kept asking if it meant Valendia and Ivalice were connected he ended up rolling with it. I'd love to see more stuff from the Ogre Saga, though it seems Matsuno-san isn't involved when they reference THAT.Quote:
Matsuno had no involvement in having so many references to his past game like Palace of the Dead and the HW gear sets (all from tactics ogre), he actually was against references to non-FF games, but when the Yokai Watch collaboration dropped, that's when he decided he doesn't care anymore.
The point about Matsuno specifically requesting Zadnor because the Southern Front was too bleak and dreary also makes sense. Matsuno does write some BLEAK settings (The Necrohol of Nabudis, for example-and omg now I want the Necrohol in the Third Act), but he's also fond of lush forests and vast oceans.
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09-30-2021, 02:05 AMRyuDragnierIf that future talk does not include the evils of a hidden structure underneath Lea Monde, I will be highly disappointed, it'd make for a good story along with nods to the past. Especially if we get a cloaked NPC who in the end turns out to have the name of Ashley Riot, or at least looks like him.Quote:
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09-30-2021, 07:26 AMBright-FlowerKind of prefer it that way honestly. We've had enough 'libreate this place from the Empire' stories, I'd rather not do another one for Dalmasca.Quote:
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09-30-2021, 08:06 AMSteelbreaker25Makes sense, seeing as that's kind of the plot of FFXII. Liberating Dalmasca's been done elsewhere, not to mention we've already done the whole "liberate (a) nation(s) from the Empire". I'd say moving on to different kinds of stories is entirely reasonable.Quote:
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09-30-2021, 11:02 AMGoldStarz
It would be interesting to see a post-liberation Dalmasca story with some opening quests or dialogue back-filling for people who didn't read the field notes. There's definitely more than enough set-up for it.
Or maybe if they eventually just make Dalmasca an in-game location, they can include a series of side-quests a la the Void Quests that address or wrap-up the lingering plot threads from Zadnor. -
09-30-2021, 11:56 AMJeanneOrnitierQuote:
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I agree, I'm glad that's the decision they went with.Quote:
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