Moving will be made to interrupt spellcasting at a point in time...

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Originally Posted by Rutelor

You're behaving like those children that just will not bother to try to fathom their parents decisions without first yelling back at them, daring to think they instantly know better and see all the angles.

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Children don't pay the bills. You're analogy is broken.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

1. The only reason these forums do exist is so that customers can provide feedback. They don't exist so game developers can offer pro bono advice to save FFXIV's bacon. They could be waiting a long time if that was the reason.

2. If a customer doesn't like something, as a gaming consumer, their opinion is perfectly valid and influential. If enough people don't like something or do like something, you can bet those concerns will be taken seriously. At the end of the day, it's consumers who decide whether this game lives or dies.

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Correct, consumers do choose how well this creation does, not how it's created. The forums are for feedback, nothing more. The thing is giving our feedback and our opinion is all we can do for SE, it's still up to them weather or not they choose to listen. This is their project, their creation and they are the only people who can change it. Just because we are being allowed to give feedback does not mean it will be put into the game. That's where the issues arise because for some odd reason consumers feel the need to say things like "This game is doomed if they don't listen to us." just because their idea was overlooked or perhaps a bad idea to begin with. The developers are qualified to make those decisions and we as consumers, especially consumers who have no knowledge of the creative process and work that goes into every little change, really need to not be rude and abusive.

SE is listening, they don't have to act on every little thing though.

In any case I was mostly pointing out that the community does not have to be abusive to get their suggestions and feedback heard. Nor does anyone have to agree with them. Just as you and a few other posters in this thread disagree with me. Funny how I am not being abusive about it.

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Originally Posted by Celtodeno

Your statement contradicts itself. More importantly, what you are trying to say is false. Square has already said, "We were wrong, please stick around and help us make it right." NOT "You can have these forums but keep in mind we don't really care about your feedback. well fix this on our own."

Those of us who are still here are trying our best to do direct the Dev's into making a game that is successful worldwide, which is the goal stated by the Yoshi team.

If there is a reason that the Dev want to TAKE AWAY something that the community enjoys, Yoshi should have led with the reason so we could discuss it. He didn't. Because he did not state a reason or why there was no reason, I will guess that it is because he did not assume that movement while casting was something that was important to this community.

It is our job at that point, as those who have agreed to remain and help with reconstruction, to inform the Dev's (through these forums) that the planned action of removing movement while casting would seem to be detrimental to the games development.

This only become obnoxious when players begin insulting those who are trying to do what Square has requested of them.

My guess is that such players believe that Yoshi and the Dev team are like delicate children who need constant protection and can't face criticism. I promise you, they are not. Though know they have to get this right, and we should help in anyway we can.

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My statement is not false. They said they want our feedback and suggestions, they never said they would put them all into the game and I am certain they did not want the abuse that tends to come with every single suggestion on this forum. I am sure the developers and everyone at SE can handle people not being happy with every change they decide to make. That does not mean we should make it a crappy experience for them every time they read the forum. You couldn't pay me enough money in the world to re-create a product for people who say some of the rudest things I have seen in a long time. I never meant to say we as consumers have no right to say what we feel about the product, or the changes being made. I really meant is that not everyone is going to get 100% of what they want and for some reason we are under that delusion. It's not just one side insulting the other side, both sides have thrown their words around poorly. I want the game to succeed, and I fully agree that people voicing their opinions and ideas (properly) is what SE wanted. The current state of the forum is not that of people trying to help though, rather it feels like an old western feud between two families lol.

Isn't this enough feedback to show I don't want movement to cancel spells.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Isn't this enough feedback to show we don't want movement to cancel spells.

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Speak for yourself. Some people do. =P

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Speak for yourself. Some people do. =P

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There I did an editz.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

There I did an editz.

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you can speak for me because i surely don't.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

There I did an editz.

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LOLz, much better Mr. Wizard. ;)

I really feel like this thread was made way to early, try it out then complain..i understand official forums....consumers...feedback...etc but constructive criticism cant be made untill the actual content is released. It is all speculation without knowing the full extent of the overall changes. The dev team is trying to save this game they know the future of it better than anyone else, if their final decision was to remove casting and running its because the game will benefit from it overall. And im still kind of confused about the whole spell cancel to instant cast thing...please someone clarify because that mechanic is just as bad as casting and running if not worse...again only speculation at this point...but if it did work like that then consider CNJ godlike.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

In any case I was mostly pointing out that the community does not have to be abusive to get their suggestions and feedback heard. Nor does anyone have to agree with them. Just as you and a few other posters in this thread disagree with me. Funny how I am not being abusive about it.

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Please point out the part where I was abusive, or advocated abuse?

I was politely defending a person who was told his opinion didn't matter because he wasn't a game developer. Then you stepped in to stop me and falsely implied that I was promoting abusing people to get one's opinion across. You have some nerve.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy!

Some of you may be thinking, who is this guy? Sorry for my lack of appearance on the FFXIV forums :(

Just wanted to clarify something that Yoshi-P mentioned, which was incorrectly translated. I have already corrected the original post, but wanted to re-post it here for you all to see.



Apologies for the mix up!

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Nice to meet you Camata! Thanks for the clarification. I still believe it would be best to leave it as is and implement it in 2.0 since it should work flawlessly in 2.0

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Please point out the part where I was abusive, or advocated abuse?

I was politely defending a person who was told his opinion didn't matter because he wasn't a game developer. Then you stepped in to stop me and falsely implied that I was promoting abusing people to get one's opinion across. You have some nerve.

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It was a generalization. Not intended to be targeted at you. I just happened to chime in because your post was a good entry. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

First they wanted to be able to cast in passive mode, and now they want to be able to continue moving while casting spells? No wonder why I'm starting to get disappointed in XIV more and more now, as this'll no doubt happen against the better judgment that stationary actions should be canceled when moving.

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Originally Posted by Mindx3

I really feel like this thread was made way to early, try it out then complain..i understand official forums....consumers...feedback...etc but constructive criticism cant be made untill the actual content is released. It is all speculation without knowing the full extent of the overall changes. The dev team is trying to save this game they know the future of it better than anyone else, if their final decision was to remove casting and running its because the game will benefit from it overall. And im still kind of confused about the whole spell cancel to instant cast thing...please someone clarify because that mechanic is just as bad as casting and running if not worse...again only speculation at this point...but if it did work like that then consider CNJ godlike.

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Playing FFXI, casting and not being able to cast was lame. I would cure myself as paladin, and being pushed back alot would often cancel my spells, which sucked. Or if my finger twitched, which often happens, I move my character by accident canceling the spell. :C

I don't want that in this, I learned from the previous game it sucked, why do I need to see if it'll work in a faster pace environment, because I already know it's going to dull, and not be helpful.

Hmm...Camate...straying from the XI forums eh?! A Moogle in Amalj'aa's clothing!

Hrm, I am not all that troubled by this actually.
Though, I seem to remember in FFXI this feature not working too well with me.
For instance, my finger would just barely touch the arrow key, moving my character less than an inch then spell interupted.
Then there was times were I would cast warp by accident and run around to cancel it and it not work. . .

Or you would stop moving and begin casting (on your end it looks like you did it right) but with the server lag it would actually have you still moving forward slightly...as you try and cast...getting you to the final moment of the cast to see it just get cancelled.

That always drove me bonkers! (which is why I stuck with SCH since you usually had to use an ability THEN cast so I didn't run into the problem as much)

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Originally Posted by Camate

Is this a trick question? :/

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welcome to the forums! =)

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Or you would stop moving and begin casting (on your end it looks like you did it right) but with the server lag it would actually have you still moving forward slightly...as you try and cast...getting you to the final moment of the cast to see it just get cancelled.

That always drove me bonkers! (which is why I stuck with SCH since you usually had to use an ability THEN cast so I didn't run into the problem as much)

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Well, that won't happen in 2.0.

Finally Yoshida provides a wall of text I am genuinely interested about, though. Hopefully more to the point than the last time(s).

I liked being able to move and cast, too. Did anyone really complain about this? WHY SE

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Playing FFXI, casting and not being able to cast was lame. I would cure myself as paladin, and being pushed back alot would often cancel my spells, which sucked. Or if my finger twitched, which often happens, I move my character by accident canceling the spell. :C

I don't want that in this, I learned from the previous game it sucked, why do I need to see if it'll work in a faster pace environment, because I already know it's going to dull, and not be helpful.

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So if an enemy knocks you back you still want the cast to go off? That doesnt make sense, werent you the one complaining that it was stupid that we couldent "walk and talk" assuming spells are chants and not concentrated energy. You still think you can chant or concentrate that energy after being knocked off your feet? I never really had a problem with it in ffxi or any other MMO that had this mechanic (every mmo i've played)

I whole heartedly believe enemies should be able to interrupt casting easier than they do, but there is no reason for walking to interrupt cast..

i'm so sick of those "arguments" sayin 'oh yea it sucks but i got used to it in FFXI / other MMOs so it's ok'.......
I want to hear from the DEVELOPERS why on EARTH they plan to do that......

i mean: what's this unbearable advantage that mages have now after the class changes that this has to be done to keep the balance?

can't we just keep it as it is? -.-

"INCLUDE MAINSTREAM FEATURES FROM OTHER SUCCESSFUL MMOS!"

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"WAIT! NOT THAT ONE!"

yea that's the answer i want to hear from the devs.

"uknow there is no actual reason, we just noticed today that other MMOs handle it like that as well."

I was still able to move and cast client side...i wonder if its different on the server

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Originally Posted by Mindx3

I was still able to move and cast client side...i wonder if its different on the server

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It hasn't happened yet. Sometime between now and the next patch.

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Originally Posted by Irondude

I like the new dev thought process. Whenever the argument "which way is better" comes up they just add both options.

Kind of like "STFU you can have both!" "Both...... oh yeah i never thought of that. thank you"

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Yeah, I actually like this way of addressing certain combat mechanics/features, such as the action queue feature.

Say this with us everyone: MORE OPTIONS = GOOD. Whether it comes to quests (allowing lowman parties to do lesser versions of currently 8-man exclusive quests), combat mechanics (allowing us to flip action queues on/off), UI features, etc. More options = better flexibility for all playstyles = less (not NO, but less) complaining.

Having BOTH options would be great, as there seems to be a pretty huge divide in this thread about this issue.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

"INCLUDE MAINSTREAM FEATURES FROM OTHER SUCCESSFUL MMOS!"

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"WAIT! NOT THAT ONE!"

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Include the good, keep out the bad.

I don't see what's wrong with this train of thought?

Makes sense. That's how I cancel spells on WoW all the time, couldn't live without it.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

It hasn't happened yet. Sometime between now and the next patch.

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i see...
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Originally Posted by Mindx3

So if an enemy knocks you back you still want the cast to go off? That doesnt make sense, werent you the one complaining that it was stupid that we couldent "walk and talk" assuming spells are chants and not concentrated energy. You still think you can chant or concentrate that energy after being knocked off your feet? I never really had a problem with it in ffxi or any other MMO that had this mechanic (every mmo i've played)

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It makes more sense to me that I get interrupted when I am hit, and stop casting. Moving while casting is different.

Also a major factor with attacks canceling a spell, the power of the attack should exceed a limit. Why should an attack that does 1 damage, but blows me 10 feet backwards stop me, I am still standing up on my two feet, the damage inflicted should not have been able to make me go "OW F*beep*"!

Bring this back up, in hopes of getting a better response to why movement canceling is being added, when it's not needed.

If and when they put this in, I wanna see red mage jobstone with free cast.

Only positive thing I can see from a stand-still caster is that you get your MP from standing still.

Oh god, this thread again.

i think Yoshi made a post on it but it has not been translated yet.

Good luck with Moogle fight.

This is not really something to be exclusive to XIV, I never move while casting simply because every single game i've played before, single-player or multi-player would punish me for moving while casting, either by lowering the effect of the spell, increasing the cast time, or flat out canceling it, won't really affect me because i'll just be doing things the same way i have up to now.

Cancelling spell casting when moving will be pretty useful on fights like Ifrit where you need to move out things on the ground, if they implement it correctly... Looking back, I remember the skill for CON that was listed on the official site, which allowed CON to cast spells while moving for a set amount of time, so I imagine this was the plan all along. No complaints here!

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Cancelling spell casting when moving will be pretty useful on fights like Ifrit where you need to move out things on the ground, if they implement it correctly... Looking back, I remember the skill for CON that was listed on the official site, which allowed CON to cast spells while moving for a set amount of time, so I imagine this was the plan all along. No complaints here!

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I distinctly remember a time where moving a certain distance from your spot would result in canceling the cast a long time ago, i think it just got swept under the rug with the combat reforms going on.