Attention Overgeared DPS in AK

Attention undergeared tanks in AK: Run CM/WP 10 or so times before you run AK.

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Originally Posted by Onimal

Tank pulls 3-6 mobs.
Everyone usually starts on #1.
BLM/SMN start their AE rotations - that's why you pulled so many right? If i'm rolling SMN, I'll do my full Dot stack on 1, move it to the rest, case my AE's, then start adding single dots to every other non-marked target as these will do more damage than me just spamming Ruin. By the time mob 4-6 are targeted by the tank they're usually down 1/2-3/5 hp. That's a Win.

That being said, if I see a trash mob on a healer and the tank isn't picking it up, I'll purposefully agro that thing and unload on it.

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In this scenario I should have little to no trouble holding hate, been rolling with a smn buddy in AK quite a few times and never really had a problem on that. All I ask is that you start your dots on the marked one and wait to use bane til I have all mobs stacked on top of each other for maximum effect. I know how to tab through and put myself back on the top of the hate list for adds.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

Attention undergeared tanks in AK: Run CM/WP 10 or so times before you run AK.

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I actually had the full TWP set before I finished the story. Now I've got all AK gear with five pieces of Darklight and a Malignant Mog Axe. I'm not undergeared for AK, not in the slightest. (tank ring finally dropped last night ftfw!) Ah, I also like to rock my Behe helm in lieu of the hoplite circlet, just because. Shouldn't make me 'undergeared' though :P

EDIT: Your 'advice' is good for everyone, not just tanks.

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Originally Posted by juliord

You don't even need to mark... Enemies get ordered alphabetically when pulling, the one you "shield lob" first gets the the first letter and just ask DD to go by that.

Also, if the DD are indeed over geared enemies should die fast enough that pulling aggro for a second shouldn't be a problem. AK is so DD geared that every fight is a DPS check. Tanking is a joke in that place!

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I know, its usually pretty zen for me because tanking can be soo lazy if you have a group that knows how you play. In this case though, the ones that pulled aggro weren't able to kill em fast enough for it to be worth doing it time-wise.

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

I can manage my threat just fine, but I'll be honest when I say that if I've waited 8 seconds for you to do a shield lob / tomahawk followed by a rage of halone or butchers block combo, and still pull aggro afterwards, I don't want you to tank for me. I run with PLD's and WAR's alike who can keep threat when I'm going all out. I'm mindful of tanks less geared than I am, but if I can't even do my rotation, there is a problem and it's not with me.

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*comes to thread about bad dd players, proceeds to complain about bad tanks while defending badness on the dd's part*

-you

Stay classy.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

But quitting a dungeon because one person is derping isn't exactly the right way to handle it either. And please don't call all DD's derps. We aren't. You will find them using DF but some of us steer clear of DF because of derp tank/healers as well.

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Thank you for your response. I just felt that it would get worse as we progressed, hopefully they got a tank that was able to cope.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Anyone wonders why there's always a tank shortage? There you go!

The only ignorance flying around here is DPS that think their role doesn't include threat management. Threat management isn't waiting a few seconds and then ignoring it. If DPS ever pulls and the tank isn't dead, the fault is entirely that DPS.

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lmao this is sooo true!!

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Anyone wonders why there's always a tank shortage? There you go!

The only ignorance flying around here is DPS that think their role doesn't include threat management. Threat management isn't waiting a few seconds and then ignoring it. If DPS ever pulls and the tank isn't dead, the fault is entirely that DPS.

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I can manage my threat just fine, but I'll be honest when I say that if I've waited 8 seconds for you to do a shield lob / tomahawk followed by a rage of halone or butchers block combo, and still pull aggro afterwards, I don't want you to tank for me. I run with PLD's and WAR's alike who can keep threat when I'm going all out. I'm mindful of tanks less geared than I am, but if I can't even do my rotation, there is a problem and it's not with me.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

No, you need to read the thread so you don't come off as ignorant. See my above reply to Onimal. Are you a dd that goes ahead and pulls mobs on your own? Do you ignore marks? Do you even know there's a hate meter? (you'd be surprised at how many non-tanks don't even realize its there) If so, then good luck on waiting for a new tank and requeueing! I know I will after my 15 mins are up and maybe I'll get some proper dds that know how to play in a party properly.

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Did you read the part where I said if I attack 1? Where I said I'd wait for you to do your combo? If I do these things and still end up having to stand around because I'm generating more threat than you, by all means. Do eat the 15 mins so I can take 5 and re-queue with a tank I know is going to be able to do his job.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

Attention undergeared tanks in AK: Run CM/WP 10 or so times before you run AK.

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Yes, then you'll only be 395 tomes short for one piece of armour! Excellent advice......

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Its just hard to keep on when you're on a totally different wave length with a group of strangers with totally different play styles.

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I'm really not trying to troll you, but I have read through 8 entire pages of responses and it seems like you are honestly the only one who is on a different wave length, even though I do agree with you.

For one, this marking targets for DD's shit is ridiculous for 2-3 mobs. As a DD, if you can't tell which mob is being damaged than you aren't paying enough attention. It is a simple glance at the HP bars of the enemies. Don't QQ there and wait for a tank to mark trash targets when they shouldn't need to unless the fight calls for it (read: large groups or enemy healers) As a DD, I will always attack a marked target. Period. The way I see it, it's much easier for me to follow an instruction than it is for a tank to cycle through hate. It doesn't mean you shouldn't be doing it anyway, but I will atk marked targets as to help out the frustration.

The problem here is, you are doing AK. After AK is done once by 90% of the community, they will want to speed run it every time thereafter due to the amount of times we must run it. Your OP doesn't sound like something that happens that often. I can understand your frustration with a BLM casting on a mob before you even pull, especially if they aren't powerful enough to kill it fast. This sounds more like the exception rather than the norm, however.

But quitting a dungeon because one person is derping isn't exactly the right way to handle it either. And please don't call all DD's derps. We aren't. You will find them using DF but some of us steer clear of DF because of derp tank/healers as well.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

If DPS ever pulls and the tank isn't dead, the fault is entirely that DPS.

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Good to know! Next time I tank I'll simply autoattack and blame the DPS when they pull.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

Good to know! Next time I tank I'll simply autoattack and blame the DPS when they pull.

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That falls under the unwritten rules of not being a window licker.

Amusing thread is amusing... No, I have nothing to add other than that. Thank you for amusing me.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

*comes to thread about bad dd players, proceeds to complain about bad tanks while defending badness on the dd's part*

-you

Stay classy.

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I'm not defending anyone but myself, being a DL geared MNK with relic +1. You directed this thread at "over geared" DPS. I think it's pretty safe to say that I probably over gear AK. If I wait a, imo, outrageous amount of time for you to do your butchers block combo, attack the one you marked, and I'm still having to stand around like an idiot because you can't get your shit together(on trash no less!) then the only "bad" around here is you.