Worst end game community ever?

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Originally Posted by Argentil

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Please read my post before the one you replied to. If you read it you would know that yes I do do speed runs. You would also know we do take peoples preferences in mind when doing so. I also offered several suggestions how this can be fixed one of which is that the duty finder has 2 options to sign up for a dungeon with cut-scenes and one without. Saying only certain people should use the duty finder is wrong. Everyone should be allowed to use it if they want and everyone should be willing to be considerate to each others way of playing.

My younger brother is also getting pretty discouraged with endgame behavior and I assured him to keep trying and that most people aren't like that.



It's just that he's on Ridill and the EN community there is less tolerant of failure and more desperate for success since there are probably less than 100 NAs that got stuck over there when they missed the previous transfer date. He's highly desirous of a transfer now because he's new and now every NA player on the server that plays his level knows he's new and NO ONE on the server will so much as stay in party with him. He's been told directly, "I always lose with you." and everyone leaves party.

I told him to do what he had to do and wait until he could transfer and play with his Big Sis and not get harassed by all the meanies out there. And if it gets overwhelming just go make some gil so he can buy a house. I don't want him to quit game over this because it does get better.

I think the people getting the worst of it are the new ones who are more innocent, less knowlegeable and require more patience than a player who has been around for a while. I remember going through Halatali with a character who couldn't even understand the concept of teleporting to another area through the "Aetherflows" that popped up, had no clue how to tank, and didn't understand that if you "Return" on the boss fight you were essentially removed from the fight (to his shock: "Why can't I get past this barrier?") But cluelessness is temporary and he did learn a lot... but he tried even my saintly patience, that guy.

So I see the other side too. 60 minutes is way too long for Halatali. I regretted even queuing up for that stupid dungeon, but I just wanted some Nostalgia but I just ended up spending an hour in the n00biest part of n00bland. It was really hard and I'm sure very few people would have had patience for a tank that couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag and better yet, I don't expect them too.

So new people: Don't expect people in endgame to have patience to teach you the ropes and appreciate those that do.
and experienced people: If you don't have patience, still be nice and say: "I'm sorry but I don't have time to teach you how to do this right now."

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

Welcome to every MMO. Join or make a FC with friends if other players attitudes are too much for you to handle.

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I'm guessing you are one of these "GOGOGOGOGOGOG DPS" players?

I did Castrum Meridianum couple days ago as a tank, said it was my first time at the start got told "you're on adds duty".

From then on it was a speed run through the whole thing, got moaned at to skip cut scenes and mocked whenever someone sometimes didn't hug the walls to avoid mobs properly. We got through it quickly with no wipes, yet it was still a pretty unpleasant experience. The players doing the mocking were complete losers, but tbh SE laid the ground work for this to happen. Pushing players to farm story line content with long cut scenes. It's 100% their fault imo.

I guess what I don't understand about all this is why anyone would find it fun to speed run the same dungeon over and over?

They skip as much of the dungeon/story as possible. They don't interact with other players in the group, except to yell at them.

So I don't fully understand the point of this? Why even bother playing?

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Originally Posted by Lunchable

I guess what I don't understand about all this is why anyone would find it fun to speed run the same dungeon over and over?

They skip as much of the dungeon/story as possible. They don't interact with other players in the group, except to yell at them.

So I don't fully understand the point of this? Why even bother playing?

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Because it's the only way to get tomestones, which are required to get gear to be able to do Coil of Bahamut..

I do speed runs myself, and I would love an option to auto-skip cutscenes I've seen many times before. That said, if someone in the group is new, I prefer to take it slow, and I never force them to skip cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Lunchable

Hit 50 about 3 days ago...

Then the 'speed grinding starts'. Absolutely no watching cut scenes were told. Chop chop. Throughout the whole map were constantly harped on for making mistakes, told how bad we are as DPS, yada, yada.

Here's my problem: You have all these "pro" players essentially farming the same dungeon over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Putting ungoldy amounts of time into farming their very special gear, then bitching whenever new players come along and disturb their mindless dungeon grind.

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Don't understand why you're mad.

People are playing the game how SE designed it.

They wanted trash to be time consuming and provide no reward.
They wanted players to farm story instances with cut-scenes.
They designed the game with 1 instance for each respective token.

Getting upset at players who are playing the game how SE designed it is childish.

I don't care about dungeon grinding - tell me to not watch my cut-scenes, and I promise you I'll take extra long. In fact, if you complain enough, I might decide it's time for a sandwich.

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Originally Posted by Lunchable

I guess what I don't understand about all this is why anyone would find it fun to speed run the same dungeon over and over?

They skip as much of the dungeon/story as possible. They don't interact with other players in the group, except to yell at them.

So I don't fully understand the point of this? Why even bother playing?

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Most people (like me) who do the speed runs is that they have run everything that they are able to run with their current gear quite a few times. They want to move on to the next content and to do that they need better gear. Easiest way to do this is run the content that gives the most tokens for the shortest amount of time and that would be castrum. If they reduced the amount of tokens gotten from castrum after the first successfully completed run to say 50 and say boosted Wanderer's Palace tokens to 90 people would move over to it. A story dungeon with long cut-scenes should never have been made so rewarding.

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Originally Posted by duki

I don't care about dungeon grinding - tell me to not watch my cut-scenes, and I promise you I'll take extra long. In fact, if you complain enough, I might decide it's time for a sandwich.

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Haha, exactly :D