7.0 Healer Wishlist

I'm personally more curious why would one want gap closers on a SCH.

On WHM I can probably get by because Seraph Strike exists in PvP. Even my own version of WHM revamp has it.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

Regardless of how "homogeneous" or not you think the healers are currently, taking an ability one of them has and giving it to the others is a definite step towards making them more homogenous.

(Also, I've always figured that SGE has Icarus because it's the only healer whose AoE heals are always centered on itself [versus Cure III, Asylum, Earthly Star, Sacred Soil, fairy].)

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Which they comically render moot by doubling the radius of their key abilities like Kerachole, Physis II, & Holos lol.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

Regardless of how "homogeneous" or not you think the healers are currently, taking an ability one of them has and giving it to the others is a definite step towards making them more homogenous.

(Also, I've always figured that SGE has Icarus because it's the only healer whose AoE heals are always centered on itself [versus Cure III, Asylum, Earthly Star, Sacred Soil, fairy].)

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i mean the counter argument is simply broaden/addition other skills as it is with each expansion, sure some classes have similar skills but the reverse is also true even if one or even half ( <--- this is the extreme case) have a similar toolkit to each other this wouldnt dismiss a job's originality as it would still have half or more to go on, nor difference in game-play to be honest the fault lies within the content itself not the classes as for the icarus point im not sure, but if that is indeed the case then all the more reason as to why the classes would be different were they to have a similar skill

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

And why does the fairy being out or not change literally anything, you are never going to not have the fairy out unless you are dissipating, you can’t even argue SCH has the niche of being a totem healer anymore since all of SGE’s heals hit the next instance over anyway, it’s almost impossible to miss anyone with physis

The skills are devoid of distinction because they do literally the same thing, mitigate a percentage amount of damage then provide a form of healing, what’s the point of flavour differences when they do the same thing in practice

I could also circle this back to healers, who cares that eos can totem heal embrace when physis does exactly the same thing with a different duration for flavour differences

If the buttons are pressed at the same time to achieve the same thing using the same method then they are functionally the same button, soil being a ground AOE vs the buff on kerechole is another example, hell besides the whole energy drain the addersgall system being “hey it’s not 60 seconds for 3 stacks it’s 1 stack every 20 seconds” is just pointless fluff

If you wanna argue these constitute meaningful class differences then go ahead, but they don’t come remotely close for me

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the fairy literally changes everything like come on man im not even a sch main(outside of pvp..well its more of a 2nd but still) but even i can understand this much also youre dismissing sch buffs as well as being glib with the potency of the skills between sch & sge as well as undermining the value of differing party comps that work better with a sch than a sge. obviously this is a difference of opinion you see everything as similar i understand that and i can even agree to an extent but it simply that theres a limit to how similar the jobs are and whether they share a skill or two doesn't dismiss how different they are, if you wanna call it fluff by all means thats your opinion

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I'm personally more curious why would one want gap closers on a SCH.

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it was already answered but ill reiterate there are times (regarding mechs or player poz) where it would be beneficial for a player who is playing sch to get from point A to point B faster than expedient or sprint would allow , if a dps were added then perhaps all the better

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Originally Posted by RyanCousland

it was already answered but ill reiterate there are times (regarding mechs or player poz) where it would be beneficial for a player who is playing sch to get from point A to point B faster than expedient or sprint would allow , if a dps were added then perhaps all the better

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But you see, to slidecast, to consider your positioning relative to upcoming mechanic, and how it affects the use of your abilities (i.e. using Spreadlo/Seraph when you cannot easily reach everybody with Indomitability/Succor without endangering yourself & your party) are also part of a healer's gameplay---we are spellcasters by default, we are NOT supposed to be incredibly mobile.

Giving us abilities based upon the premise of "there are times X might happen" is also one of the reason why we have bloated healing kits that we barely use until we get a clownfest besides conforming the homogeneity. Similarly, we certainly don't need even more mobility tools when EW had dropped the ball by Trashologificating all healers a.k.a. giving everybody a 1.5s nuke cast time just because some people fail to grasp the concept of slidecasting/had to drop casting so often for not having the foresight. Please don't make us even less of a spellcaster (looking at you SMN lmfao). If people can't deal with the immobility of a healer for being a spellcaster then perhaps healer isn't just for them... or pick SGE: it's there for them to hand out E.Diag/Prog while moving + Icarus.

Remember how EW 1.5s cast time depreciates the value of WHM's Lily Gauge, SCH's Ruin II, and so on. We don't need more of those.

EDIT: Suddenly reminded that we're in a -wishlist- thread so I will not be writing more beyond this point. Sorry for the derail. o7

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Hey nizzy apparently you are my alt buddy now, that’s cute

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The 'everyone who disagrees with me must be alts of each other' thing is so overdone on the forums at this point.

That said, as far as SCH and SGE being very similar, I've gone as SGE into savage fights and ultimates which I have cleared on SCH and just used the rough SGE equivalents on every mechanic and we got through everything just fine. That means there's not much functional difference between the kits of SGE and SCH, and when it comes to gameplay distinctions, difference of function is rather important.

The fairy isn't the only determining identity of SCH. For me, it is just part of what makes the SCH what it is. What snow is trying to say is that there is no diff between SGE and SCH. They do the exact same thing, only differing on how they do it. To be honest, everything was actually fine when it were just WHM, SCH and AST. They could have stuck with that and just made SGE a diff type of healer. But oh well... I hope a 5th Healer, yes only 1, is implemented in a future expansion so that the "balance" between the number of shield vs pure healers are shook.

Even on aesthetic level I was kind of baffled by how close to Scholar Sage is. Even the name is almost synonymous. Kind of makes sense the mechanics of it are a giant copy paste too, I guess.

It's the same damn job except pew-pew lasers instead of a fairy.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Remember how EW 1.5s cast time depreciates the value of WHM's Lily Gauge, SCH's Ruin II, and so on.

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Here's my wish this morning: Give healers back their longer cast times. :p

Cast for 1.5s, move for 1s, cast for 1.5s, move for 1s..., it feels so silly and absurd.

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Originally Posted by rawker

The fairy isn't the only determining identity of SCH. For me, it is just part of what makes the SCH what it is. What snow is trying to say is that there is no diff between SGE and SCH. They do the exact same thing, only differing on how they do it. To be honest, everything was actually fine when it were just WHM, SCH and AST. They could have stuck with that and just made SGE a diff type of healer. But oh well... I hope a 5th Healer, yes only 1, is implemented in a future expansion so that the "balance" between the number of shield vs pure healers are shook.

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I don't see how introducing a 5th healer would balance the shield vs pure healers, and currently given the issues in some case with pure and shield healers, AND given what that carved out for the change to at least one job (AST)- I would rather that they gave up on that concept altogether, and gave every healer some mix of regen and shield healer, in varying degrees.

In that case- introducing a 5th healer- which I'm not eager for, until the current ones have some reworks- wouldn't be problematic.