Should the devs appologise to the community

They don't need to apologize. Actually, no. There is one thing they could apologize for. The state of Materia DC and the lack of any acknowledgement, concern or attention in addressing us being left to the void.

Should the community apologize to the developers?

Discuss.

Anything they say will be taken as PR talk anyway. Pretty sure some people will even get very upset with their apologies.

So, I think they don't need to apologize.

They can, however, admit their mistakes and start making changes.

I'd say yes if they failed to give us what was promised. This was not the case. They gave us exactly that. If you liked it r not is on you. Nothing they've put out has been unfun opinion. It's the reward structure that seems to be the main issue. What folks do need to realize is that XIV isn't a hard ore MMO. The game isn't trying to monopolize your time and as such long grinds aren't the focus.

They don't have to apologize but I'll also say, you don't have to give them money every month if you're not happy either.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The problem is further escalated with the deliberate decision to deny players an equivalent to Ishgard Reconstruction and Eureka/Bozja which both proved successful at keeping many veteran players engaged with something to do beyond running roulettes for tomestones.

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Not including content that they never said was coming is not deliberately denying anything. In Stormblood, I could have said that they deliberately denied me a relic by tying it to exploratory content because I prefer the ARR and HW style. But they never promised me that style of relic quest so my claiming that they denied me anything is wrong. They simply went another way with that content in the next expansion. And I gave them my feedback by not participating in it.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Please try to leave constructive replies instead of just saying anything to be heard
I've been toying with this question in my mind basically since around 6.2 when it became obvious this game was'nt going to deliver any real of meaningful change.. seeing the clear nature of the cash shop and the exploitation in the games current content output vs what we pay our sub for, anbd ofcourse that 7.0 will be a min of 6months between patches of basically... nothing...

should the developers appologise for the state of the game?

and if not... what level of accountability SHOULD we hold them to? if any..

(ofcourse this is just a question i am not demanding this or that people do this so please read it properly before you start attacking me)

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There's nothing to apologize for. We're in the content lull before a new expansion drops. People were whining about this between ShB and EW and that had a much longer delay due to the coof.

When the devs start doing some of the slimy things that Blizzard or EA do, that's when I call them out.

Not attacking you, just offering a counterpoint.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Not including content that they never said was coming is not deliberately denying anything. In Stormblood, I could have said that they deliberately denied me a relic by tying it to exploratory content because I prefer the ARR and HW style. But they never promised me that style of relic quest so my claiming that they denied me anything is wrong. They simply went another way with that content in the next expansion. And I gave them my feedback by not participating in it.

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Clear example of player entitlement that you just pointed out. I can understand hoping a piece of content you liked returned but claiming they "deliberately denied" it is beyond off.
Yoshi P many times told folks to temper their expectations quite a few times with EW (for better or worse) but he's been pretty honest and consistent from word of mouth to game output.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Not including content that they never said was coming is not deliberately denying anything. In Stormblood, I could have said that they deliberately denied me a relic by tying it to exploratory content because I prefer the ARR and HW style. But they never promised me that style of relic quest so my claiming that they denied me anything is wrong. They simply went another way with that content in the next expansion. And I gave them my feedback by not participating in it.

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Why you are quoting part of a post of mine and responding to it as if I was saying what you're implying as opposed to my post being made to counter the false narrative that players asking for more content are just going through it 'too quickly' when there's barely anything with longevity when it comes to Endwalker's content offerings?

This was the post and premise I was responding to:

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

It's not SE's fault players are incapable of pacing themselves and each try to consume content faster than a child's birthday party at an all-you-can-eat-resturant. Stop and smell the rolanberries once in a while and maybe players won't run out of things to do in the game...

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why you are quoting part of a post of mine and responding to it as if I was saying what you're implying as opposed to my post being made to counter the false narrative that players asking for more content are just going through it 'too quickly' when there's barely anything with longevity when it comes to Endwalker's content offerings?

This was the post and premise I was responding to:

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Apparently if they make content with longevity "young" players will get bored. Meanwhile me playing FFXI levelling multiple jobs to 99 and pursuing relic equipment there, sinking 100s of hours into multiple playthroughs of games that are actually fun...it's crazy how far away this game has gone from being the MMORPG it used to be.

If anything it's players who have admitted to being significantly older than I am who have come to the game recently that keep trying to tell me everything is ok and that I should take a break. When the game's biggest long term fans like myself and people like Zepla both take breaks no matter how long they are and still can't find anything worthwhile to do, there is a problem.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Apparently if they make content with longevity "young" players will get bored. Meanwhile me playing FFXI levelling multiple jobs to 99 and pursuing relic equipment there, sinking 100s of hours into multiple playthroughs of games that are actually fun...it's crazy how far away this game has gone from being the MMORPG it used to be.

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I can't help but feel you've said this 100s of times at this point...yet still pay for this game. At that point the question arises, is SE just wrong for the direction of the game or is it also partially the players fault for continuing to fund what they don't like telling SE what to push forward on? Often players dissolve themselves of any responsibility for the direction a game takes and its an important thing to realize.
XIV is changing with the times. Just how it is. The hardcore MMO isn't really desirable in today age