A new tactic for the dissatisfied

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Originally Posted by Renathras

No, actually.

When you introduce evidence to support your argument, the burden of proof is on you to show that it's true.

Not only did the Steam numbers NOT drop 70%, not only do the Steam numbers apples-to-apples against this same point in the last expansion NOT show a massive decline, but you've yet to prove to anyone that the Steam numbers ARE applicable to the entire playerbase. The onus/burden is actually upon you, attempting to use that statistic to bolster your argument, to show that the statistic is valid to the argument and case you're presenting. It's not on others.

This would be like someone saying that aliens exist and pointing to UFO stories as proof of it, then when people suggest the stories may not be accurate, demanding that they debunk every last UFO story ever told. The onus is on you to prove that the UFO stories are true, not on others to prove they are false.

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I aint doing that again Renathras. Lol. Nope. I am not wasting my time.

Extremist elements of FFXIV's community are notorious for stalking and sending credible threats to individuals critical of the game, particularly if those criticisms are related to the story and certain characters. So I don't doubt that many players opt to just leave silently rather than risk posting a negative review on a platform that potentially allows stalkers to track them down in other online communities.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Not only did the Steam numbers NOT drop 70%, not only do the Steam numbers apples-to-apples against this same point in the last expansion NOT show a massive decline, but you've yet to prove to anyone that the Steam numbers ARE applicable to the entire playerbase. The onus/burden is actually upon you, attempting to use that statistic to bolster your argument, to show that the statistic is valid to the argument and case you're presenting. It's not on others.

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You said you had evidence to prove steam numbers are not indicative of total player numbers. That is a claim you made, not anyone else. You didnt just doubt the validity of the numbers presented, you went and made your own claim on top of it. And let me tell you, if you actually had that evidence it would be the easiest dunk on your haters in the world. You could make them look like absolute fools. Except you cant because you dont have that evidence.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

No, actually.

When you introduce evidence to support your argument, the burden of proof is on you to show that it's true.

Not only did the Steam numbers NOT drop 70%, not only do the Steam numbers apples-to-apples against this same point in the last expansion NOT show a massive decline, but you've yet to prove to anyone that the Steam numbers ARE applicable to the entire playerbase. The onus/burden is actually upon you, attempting to use that statistic to bolster your argument, to show that the statistic is valid to the argument and case you're presenting. It's not on others.

This would be like someone saying that aliens exist and pointing to UFO stories as proof of it, then when people suggest the stories may not be accurate, demanding that they debunk every last UFO story ever told. The onus is on you to prove that the UFO stories are true, not on others to prove they are false.

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You sound like a broken record with your 70% drop. It's easy to find the post from last year where that claim was made. Spoiler, it was found by isolating a few month period after EW launch.

The Steam numbers are biased. They are not some kind of random sample that you can extrapolate. Deal with it, nerds. This is Stats 101 ffs.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

You said you had evidence to prove steam numbers are not indicative of total player numbers. That is a claim you made, not anyone else. You didnt just doubt the validity of the numbers presented, you went and made your own claim on top of it. And let me tell you, if you actually had that evidence it would be the easiest dunk on your haters in the world. You could make them look like absolute fools. Except you cant because you dont have that evidence.

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Pretty much, that's why I'm not going to justify or repeat myself again, it's useless really, they wont listen nor try and prove me wrong with actual facts or evidence of their claim lol.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Pretty much, that's why I'm not going to justify or repeat myself again, it's useless really, they wont listen nor try and prove me wrong with actual facts or evidence of their claim lol.

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They tend to make claims without any sources or evidence to back up there claims then tells others to provide sources. Then when sources are provided that they don't like or agree with it's not considered good enough.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

They tend to make claims without any sources or evidence to back up there claims then tells others to provide sources. Then when sources are provided that they don't like or agree with it's not considered good enough.

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EDIT: NVM I'm dumb.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

They haven't provided evidence of there claims that steam players play the game differently and saying the player drop on steam doesn't mean anything. But provided no links or evidence to prove it and are asking others for evidence of things. Others have provided links and evidence while there just making claims with no backing.

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Still out of posts from yesterday. I'm going to chalk up my dumb take above to not having had coffee this morning. Ignore me, I can't disagree with you lol.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

You can disagree with him or dislike him as a poster, but this is very selective observation here lol.

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They haven't provided evidence of there claims that steam players play the game differently and saying the player drop on steam doesn't mean anything. But provided no links or evidence to prove it and are asking others for evidence of things. Others have provided links and evidence while there just making claims with no backing.

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Still out of posts from yesterday. I'm going to chalk up my dumb take above to not having had coffee this morning. Ignore me, I can't disagree with you lol.

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Its ok :)

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

They haven't provided evidence of there claims that steam players play the game differently and saying the player drop on steam doesn't mean anything. But provided no links or evidence to prove it and are asking others for evidence of things. Others have provided links and evidence while there just making claims with no backing.

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Pretty much, I'm still waiting on either Jojoya or Renathras to give me evidence that steam players play differently than Standalone players, and by evidence, I dont mean "my friends do this" I mean actual evidence.

I have a feeling I'll wait for a very long time, I have done my part and showed evidence of my claim, let's see theirs.