If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

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Originally Posted by anhaato

At this point if someone says they were harassed for their poor dps I’m just gonna assume they deserved it

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This attitude is why casuals are so toxic, and is extremely unhelpful if you actually want people to accept ACT instead of being afraid of it.

Nobody deserves to be harassed, it goes both ways. Anyone who harasses other people over their DPS should get banned from the game, end of.

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Originally Posted by SwingLifeAway

This attitude is why casuals are so toxic, and is extremely unhelpful if you actually want people to accept ACT instead of being afraid of it.

Nobody deserves to be harassed, it goes both ways. Anyone who harasses other people over their DPS should get banned from the game, end of.

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The insistence that informedness can only ever be toxic, that knowledge (at least of any quantitative variety) is inherently and specifically a weapon, rather than merely a variably-purposable tool, also cuts the other of both ways. It makes reports of harassment far harder to verify if "I was informed that I could do X, Y, and Z to perform better AND NUMBERS WERE INVOLVED!" itself counts as harassment. Not that "They didn't stop giving unsolicited advice when asked to do so," not that "They phrased this information in such a way that their first concern seemed to be that I know I was cutting the line by being here unprepared, second that I should feel bad about it, and my improvement only a distant third," but simply that the information itself was given.

The more that people insist that quantitative information is inherently toxic, the harder it is to separate badgering for information, because, to that group of people, the distinction literally cannot exist.

But, agreed. Anyone who harasses other people (full stop) should get banned from the game.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

The insistence that informedness can only ever be toxic, that knowledge (at least of any quantitative variety) is inherently and specifically a weapon, rather than merely a variably-purposable tool, also goes both ways.

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I'd expect this to be common sense, but then I remembered what site I am on.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Hilarious, saying I am "mentally ill" for not showing my FFLogs. It's actually quite disgusting and a totally inappropriate accusation when there are folks really struggling with mental illness. As these responses show, too many of you treat this GAME like it is a professional job. So maybe it is you all who need help? It truly is sad how your lives revolve around DPS numbers and high-end content like you're getting paid for it.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Mental refers to your ability to function under pressure, and to keep your emotions under control. Tackling something like Ultimate or Savage content takes strong mental, because you have to be able to deal with being wiped or wiping the party 10-17 minutes into a complex fight, without letting it tilt you and affect subsequent pulls.

Someone like you, who can't discuss the concept of visible DPS numbers without emotionally flying off the handle, just doesn't fit into that kind of environment. People tend to want rational and mature players. No one wants to deal with someone who holds the group back, but is too volatile to approach about the problem. People don't even want to deal with that type of player in casual content either.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

You indirectly are confessing that you use third party tools.

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Raiding no matter if it is in Mythics, Ultimates or Savages in WoW or in FFXIV, takes a special kind of skill and mentality to do so. Those people who whine about Mods, who whine about DPS meters and DPS marks that have to be meet in raids are those I hope I never ever run into; at least in my raids I don't. They desire nothing but to be carried, They usually don't want to contribute to the raid but just to be carried by everyone else.

Guys stop arguing with these Witch-Hunters. Telling people they are indirectly confessing to using Mods and third party tools, when they have NOT CONFESSED THEY DO, IS WITCH-HUNTING. Go get a life and quite trying to figure out who is doing what on their own computer. Just enjoy the game and stop being a nosey Karen.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

Those people who whine about Mods, who whine about DPS meters and DPS marks that have to be meet in raids are those I hope I never ever run into; at least in my raids I don't. They desire nothing but to be carried, They usually don't want to contribute to the raid but just to be carried by everyone else.

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Based and Raidpilled

I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming and not just failing to meet some arbitrary standard that is not actually necessary for the content in question.

I've seen so many PF groups where people are either leaving or getting kicked due to "not enough DPS" despite the group having been a few percent ahead of the check well into the fight.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming

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welp too bad nobody ever will because they're too afraid they will get banned

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Hilarious, saying I am "mentally ill" for not showing my FFLogs. It's actually quite disgusting and a totally inappropriate accusation when there are folks really struggling with mental illness. As these responses show, too many of you treat this GAME like it is a professional job. So maybe it is you all who need help? It truly is sad how your lives revolve around DPS numbers and high-end content like you're getting paid for it.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Mental refers to your ability to function under pressure, and to keep your emotions under control. Tackling something like Ultimate or Savage content takes strong mental, because you have to be able to deal with being wiped or wiping the party 10-17 minutes into a complex fight, without letting it tilt you and affect subsequent pulls.

Someone like you, who can't discuss the concept of visible DPS numbers without emotionally flying off the handle, just doesn't fit into that kind of environment. People tend to want rational and mature players. No one wants to deal with someone who holds the group back, but is too volatile to approach about the problem. People don't even want to deal with that type of player in casual content either.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

You indirectly are confessing that you use third party tools.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming and not just failing to meet some arbitrary standard that is not actually necessary for the content in question.

I've seen so many PF groups where people are either leaving or getting kicked due to "not enough DPS" despite the group having been a few percent ahead of the check well into the fight.

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If you are in a static group, then yes the raid Lead(s) should tell you so that you can try and fix the issues you may have. Not being mean at all. but a serious raid group does not want weak links or people looking to be carried. Again not being mean. Just a little tip from someone who raided for 17 years in WoW. I highly doubt the rules are much different here in FFXIV...well for savages and ultimates that is.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming and not just failing to meet some arbitrary standard that is not actually necessary for the content in question.

I've seen so many PF groups where people are either leaving or getting kicked due to "not enough DPS" despite the group having been a few percent ahead of the check well into the fight.

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I've benefited so much from this on WoW, tbh, especially when returning to a particular spec after a long break. Granted, I already have my own parser there, so it's not that I don't know I'm underperforming, but sometimes guides are no substitute for experience and more tailored advice can be really helpful. It isn't something I'd feel comfortable asking my party members for, typically, unless it's a particular casual run and banter/sidechat is already going, but if they were willing, I would always graciously accept.

When I was first taking Sub Rogue into Challenge Mode Dungeons back in WoD, for instance, and hadn't played it in mechanically demanding content since WotLK, I'd have people call me out for, say, overly swapping back and forth to provide backup on certain mechanics instead of just trusting the others to do it, or in trying too hard to Rupture spread in multi-boss fights, not sufficiently banking Shadowdance for when we could most exploit its damage, etc. Luckily, some of those times, my party members had also played Sub or at least could see what was happening by the second wipe or so, and were willing to give those pointers rather than shying away from informing me as to how and when I was messing up.

It was some serious culture shock going from a place where advice, even if unsolicited, is typically taken and at most politely declined to one where it's often considered innately harassment.

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Originally Posted by SwingLifeAway

This attitude is why casuals are so toxic, and is extremely unhelpful if you actually want people to accept ACT instead of being afraid of it.

Nobody deserves to be harassed, it goes both ways. Anyone who harasses other people over their DPS should get banned from the game, end of.

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1. Take a joke
2. VERY RARELY does a player randomly get insulted for their parse. If someone is bringing up dps numbers it’s most likely in response to the person being a cunt and/or blaming the group’s inability to clear on others’ performance without realizing how little they're contributing