Increase penalty for people leaving roulettes

Frontline AFKers get kicked quite a bit on NA, a lot of regulars want to win, get kills and don't need free feeding fodder. The threat being there keeps people moving. It's also reportable too, so there is that. That's much worse than just getting kicked.

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Originally Posted by technole

Frontline AFKers get kicked quite a bit on NA, a lot of regulars want to win, get kills and don't need free feeding fodder. The threat being there keeps people moving. It's also reportable too, so there is that. That's much worse than just getting kicked.

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I guess we are in different Frontline matches then. Sure I get a few votes to pass, but there are a ton of enablers. Also, the people that like to hide in the crowd and you can't prove it until the end when you see they've done less than 10k damage.

At the end of the day people are just going to have to come to terms with the fact it doesn't matter how many rules & punishments you put into place to stop something, someone's personal time is always going to be worth more to them than yours or anyone else and the more draconian you become with your rules the more people simply leave or don't play. It's the exact same reason you can't tax people 70-100% of their income.
Also it's not my fault the penalty is 30 minutes and prae takes 50.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Meanwhile pretty much all Ivalice and Nier raids I've been in had people leaving right away. I remember nearly half the alliance leaving one time.

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Makes sense when you got 2 whole alliances wiping to one mechanic and getting scrapped off the floor by a single whm.
Just yesterday if they hadn't nerfed big thunder daddy my group would've wiped 6 times.
Failed the 3 person stack, failed to separate the AoEs, failed to kill ice on time without echo there were a few other things I forgot about.

TIL "expecting people to complete the casual content they queue for" is "draconian".

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Originally Posted by Sicno

TIL "expecting people to complete the casual content they queue for" is "draconian".

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It's on a relative spectrum like everything else.

What you said is a strawman however as I was specifically talking about the rules trying to be implemented, not people completing content they queued for.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

What you said is a strawman however as I was specifically talking about the rules trying to be implemented, not people completing content they queued for.

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I know, but I couldn't help but find it funny in this context. That punishment for leaving super casual content could be considered "draconian" is hilarous.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

At the end of the day people are just going to have to come to terms with the fact it doesn't matter how many rules & punishments you put into place to stop something, someone's personal time is always going to be worth more to them than yours or anyone else and the more draconian you become with your rules the more people simply leave or don't play. It's the exact same reason you can't tax people 70-100% of their income.
Also it's not my fault the penalty is 30 minutes and prae takes 50.




Makes sense when you got 2 whole alliances wiping to one mechanic and getting scrapped off the floor by a single whm.
Just yesterday if they hadn't nerfed big thunder daddy my group would've wiped 6 times.
Failed the 3 person stack, failed to separate the AoEs, failed to kill ice on time without echo there were a few other things I forgot about.

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if you aren't willing to complete the content don't queue for it, it's that simple. If you kick people back to the queue or eat up time on the timer by making them wait for a replacement, then you should get a punishment at least equal to how long it would have taken to complete. You just wasted 7 other people's time by being inconsiderate so you get a punishment for it.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

If you kick people back to the queue or eat up time on the timer by making them wait for a replacement, then you should get a punishment at least equal to how long it would have taken to complete.

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You mean like a 30 minute time out?

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Originally Posted by Padudu

You mean like a 30 minute time out?

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You missed the second part. The 30 minute penalty is shorter than praetorium, alliance raids, and extreme trial completion times.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

You missed the second part. The 30 minute penalty is shorter than praetorium, alliance raids, and extreme trial completion times.

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No normal mode instance in this game should be taking over 30 minutes to complete in the first place. MSQ hour-long dungeons will be a thing of the past in 6.1 and as for alliance raids? The reward vs time investment just isn't worth it for the later raids. I will not stay in an Ivalice or NieR Raid that I know will cause problems for first-timers.