"There wasn't much we could really do with SCH"

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Everyone has to keep track of mechanics, literally everyone who's not taking a nap on the floor.

The amount of healing you need to do in almost every given fight can be covered with just OGCD heals weaved between your spammable 1 button skill, and that's not if the other healer isn't freaking out and overhealing like crazy, which by that point you don't even need to heal.

If you're having a hard time keeping a party topped off while maintaining a 1 button rotation then that's fine and I won't judge you, but healing isn't as hard as you think it is and a lot of people in this thread have been healing since we've had to press cleric stance just to do DPS, and compared to the amount of awareness you needed back then, healing in 5.0 is basically an insult to your intelligence

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It's not about it being hard. I've gotten behind the idea of a more complex rotation for healers many times in this very forum, because I'm bored. But saying that tanks and healers share the same amount of mental leeway is just incorrect. Or are you suggesting that healers could get the DPS rotation of GNB and that would be perfectly fine? lol

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

This is assuming you know the fight perfectly. Also that you can adjust your rotation to each fight. I hate having to change my rotation for random fights. Of course I may be the minority but still devils advocate.

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That's pretty much why white mage existed as the "easier" option for beginner healers back in the days of cleric stance, though I can't speak for 2.0

Scholar was for the more advanced players and if people didn't want to worry about micromanaging pets and spreading shields/mitigating then white mage was there with raw heals to keep everyone topped off and a rotation that was simple enough to not be too distracting

But then they decided to make every healer job easy, and here we are

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Originally Posted by EaMett

It's not about it being hard. I've gotten behind the idea of a more complex rotation for healers many times in this very forum, because I'm bored. But saying that tanks and healers share the same amount of mental leeway is just incorrect. Or are you suggesting that healers should get the DPS rotation of GNB and that would be perfectly fine? lol

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Dunno, that sounds pretty amazing to me if they gave a healer a rotation that's at tank difficulty and just replaced the usual mitigation skills with healing options.

Healers have way too many healing tools and barely any opportunities to be able to use them all

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Dunno, that sounds pretty amazing to me if they gave a healer a rotation that's at tank difficulty and just replaced the usual mitigation skills with healing options.

Healers have way too many healing tools and barely any opportunities to be able to use them all

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Hey, to be fair, I'd play it and probably enjoy it more than I do current healers. But, let's be honest, it would be overkill for the reasons I mentioned. With that said, some in-between would be amazing.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Hey, to be fair, I'd play it and probably enjoy it more than I do current healers. But, let's be honest, it would be overkill for the reasons I mentioned. With that said, some in-between would be amazing.

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I'd kill for a healer with a kit that isn't easy to play, they're basically all the same difficulty except AST is more busy because you have to give people cards, but there's a pretty big difference between busy and complex since MCH is busy, but it's not complex like Ninja and its various mudras

Encounter design and how healers fit in it can be argued about until the cows come home. The community will always be divided in terms of the healer gameplay they would like to have. This does not change what a healer has to do in current content in order to optimize their kits. Healer kits are designed to accommodate varied levels of gameplay and difficulty with the content. When difficulty ranges from non-existent such as side quest mobs, all the way to Ultimate encounters, a large portion of their kits will range from greatly needed, to hardly used. This is the nature of the healer role, and I don't foresee this going away anytime soon.

Even with Sage, we saw some fancy stuff, and I assure a good portion of it will be/become redundant the less difficult the content is, or gets over time. The devs are adamant that healers will not have any kind of complex DPS rotation. However, this does not mean that they cannot give them more DPS skills. I believe that since a large portion of the healer community would like more variety when it comes to their damage output, this is the best way to reward the player for playing a healer the way that's intended.

As for SCH and their comment about being unsure. Another poster earlier said it was mistranslated, but one thing I know for sure is that Yoshi was constantly looking at the comments as his statements were being translated, and those comments were filled to the brim with negative SCH feedback after the trailer and the Sage reveal. His English reading sills are probably on par with my Japanese reading skills, but I am sure he saw the constant flow 'SCH', and the Japanese comments weren't much different, and it was meme after meme.

IOW, he is too smart to not know how most players are viewing SCH. And while it is all evidence to the contrary, I truly don't believe that he would be so spiteful of pet jobs as to deliberately punish the players who choose to play them. SMN is/was a pet job as well, and SMN mains griped and gave feedback for years before they finally took it in the direction of EW. They are rejoicing right now. Perhaps use this as well as their attention to other jobs, and the addition of Sage as a positive for potential changes in the future for SCH.

At this point they have to know that it needs to be reworked.

How long have been playing? If it's anything before 3.4, then you know that's not going to happen.

I'm willing to bet five dollars and a half-eaten sandwich that Energy Drain gets the Thanos treatment again.

"There was not much we could do about Scholar" ? You can start by giving us back our old fairy skills. Or, bring back Stoneskin, Protect, Cleric Stance, etc and make them exclusive to us. Something is better than nothing!

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

How long have been playing? If it's anything before 3.4, then you know that's not going to happen.

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If you're referring to me. I've been around since 3.1. What I know is never going to happen is getting back HW SCH, but I've known that for ages now, and never wanted 3.x SCH back. What I want is for this dev team to give SCH the same attention and treatment they've been giving other jobs. SCH needs to be reworked from the ground up in order to keep pace with the game.