Mouse/Keyboard vs. Controller: Your Thoughts

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Envoyé par Alastor

That's the point some pro-controller people are trying to make. Though, in favor of the k/m users, they would have a split second head-start, which does give them a slight advantage in tempo (their abilities will be available that split-second sooner).

I still do stand by my change to the controller. I'm not sure why people are trying to legitimately discount one way of playing over another. It's all about preference. I simply prefer the controller.

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Yep, and none seem to want to be realistic about the difference in DPS/heals/what ever else, even at 1/2 second fast on the first one which isn't realistic anyway your not going to out DPS me by any significant amount.

So for everyone else:
Besides why would I go into battle with my action bar set anywhere other than the first action I plan to use, so for me it's just a matter of hitting "X" once I'm in range, while I run in and shift the camera to an optimal position, unless you mapped the 1~0 keys to secondary slots (like I did on my G-13) that requires stopping or not moving the camera to lift a hand and press the key you want, you can make the argument that the unnatraul stretch to press "key" while also holding "W+A & I+L" isn't a problem, or that having to move your hands around on a kbd is slower than my thumbs pressing things that are far closer together than the 1 and 0 keys so even w/ the "extra" button presses I'm faster, I win lol.

You may get (I'm giving this to those that "need" to feel superior because they choose to use kbd/mouse) 2~3 xtra light shots(only thing this counts for) over a 5 min. fight, at most 200 dmg/300 secs. < 1 DPS fuck at 10 more light shots than me(this will only happen if I drop my controller, 2 will only happen if I start typing mid fight) your getting 2000dmg/300secs < 7DPS
If <10 DPS is making that much of a difference, and again this is a wildly inflated value that would likely NEVER happen, perhaps it's time to rethink your position on elitism and just not talk to those of us that are part of the "inferior" "untrainable" majority of players.

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Envoyé par fusional

are some of you guys being deliberately obtuse or do you seriously not understand? help me out. i've already explained in great detail why gamepad will always always always always be slower and always always always have a lower net dps ceiling than keyboard/mouse. if you don't understand, reread what i said and think really hard about it. objectively. if you disagree you're allowed to, but you're wrong. period. why are you still arguing about it?

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Fusional, what you fail to understand is, we are not arguing there is no difference in time between some scenarios on gamepad and keyboard.

The fact is, the time difference is not important, because the cooldown timers will offset it.

There is no difference between ctrl+1 and LT+confirm. Add cooldown (and cast time) and switching from ctrl+1 to ctrl+2 is as fast as LT+right+confirm, but a switch from ctrl+1 to ctrl+5 might be faster than LT+right x4+confirm, I give you that.

Yes, you don't have to navigate to the next skill with a keyboard, but the current system coupled with lag gives you enough time to navigate to the next skill before a keyboard user can execute it.

The difference would be a second at most, but this is where smart action placement comes into play. If you only rarely have to travel more than one step in any direction, cooldown+cast timers will offset the disadvantage of having to do so.

Even taking lag away, you still have cooldown and casting/animation time to navigate. All you have to do is look ahead and plan your strategy.

You can pretend that doesn't matter, but then you have no right to tell us we are wrong.

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Envoyé par Zaaku

It is less about the time it takes to target a PT member and more along the lines of seeing the trauma victim's health bar on the right and being able to just click it. Even if it is only a tiny bit quicker it is much more accurate IMO and I can be confident that I will always select the target I need.

Going up and down on the thumb pad works too but if someone gets out of range or is otherwise ineligible for targeting it can throw off your count and you may come in over or short on your party list. It is doable but I'd personally just not rather risk it.

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That can happen, but with a little time and practice, 2~3 mins tops, 99.9% of the time it won't, your reaction to the marker skipping a member of your party, which is plenty visible, is to not press "X" just like you clicking on a member and getting the "out of range message". It's not like it's an invisible cursor, it's a big yellow block. At most targeting any member takes 4 presses, I can press up/down 4 times pretty f'in fast. Let's be real here, if the .2 second delay from pressing up 4 times over pressing F5 is enough to get someone dead, then they were going to die anyway. Unless you've found a way to speed up casting?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post672648

Moving a mouse cursor you can still "miss" your intended target no one is perfect. Go head click on the 20 mobs surrounding your tank 5 times see how many different ones you can get w/o moving your mouse at all. Tabkey targeting through them isn't any better than my controller.

I'm using a controller when playing casually, and using a mix of both when doing the more challenging content.

With the recent adjustments from last few patches, keyboard users definitely have an advantage over controller users.

I still think Keyboard only is best if you like to chat... I can't chat on a controller... and what's the point of being here if I can't chat? O.o!

Also, I have ALT 1-8 and CTRL 1-8 mapped to heals so I can instantly hit ALT-5 to heal the 5th member of my party the moment they get hurt! I even have my ALT key pressed down and finger hovering over the '5' ready to PRESS it.

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Envoyé par Asiaine

I still think Keyboard only is best if you like to chat... I can't chat on a controller... and what's the point of being here if I can't chat? O.o!

Also, I have ALT 1-8 and CTRL 1-8 mapped to heals so I can instantly hit ALT-5 to heal the 5th member of my party the moment they get hurt! I even have my ALT key pressed down and finger hovering over the '5' ready to PRESS it.

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You can anticipate it, which means a gamepad user could do the same thing. They could hit the skill, select their subtarget and wait to confirm the heal, none of that takes more than a second. If you anticipate the actions of battle, which isn't that hard to do, you can be ready for anything no matter what control scheme you're using.

I can't play WoW or other mmos....I need a controller

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Envoyé par Arcell

You can anticipate it, which means a gamepad user could do the same thing. They could hit the skill, select their subtarget and wait to confirm the heal, none of that takes more than a second. If you anticipate the actions of battle, which isn't that hard to do, you can be ready for anything no matter what control scheme you're using.

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Fair point, but let's take this scenario:
I wish to switch from Cure (ALT-5) to Cura (CTRL-5) when I see my little tank has gotten hit very badly unexpectedly.
For me, I just right away release ALT and press CTRL and then 5. This is a very fast action. Is it possible to do that fast on controller?

Note: Not saying one is better than the other, and I'm sure its very situational and how used to each you are. I could never use a controller as I am not used to it ^.^;

Although I think we ALL have to agree that if you want to chat ALL the time, then keyboard is the best? (Hard to imagine putting down controller and typing out sentences then picking up controller).

Actually putting down the controller to type is hardly an issue. I can always find a spot to put it down quickly and start typing, I actually don't even think about doing it anymore, it just happens.

Going from ALT to CTRL on a controller is, depending on your setup, going from hitting LT to hitting RT. Very simple.

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Envoyé par Arcell

Actually putting down the controller to type is hardly an issue. I can always find a spot to put it down quickly and start typing, I actually don't even think about doing it anymore, it just happens.

Going from ALT to CTRL on a controller is, depending on your setup, going from hitting LT to hitting RT. Very simple.

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Ooh, interesting! Sounds like using a controller with the right configuration can be very versatile/powerful. Perhaps just a matter of spending time on it like one would spend time tweaking their keyboard settings.

Therefore.... I shall now expect all controller users to be on par with keyboard users! No excuses!

Thank you for the info ^.^b